TKC EXCLUSIVE AND BREAKING NEWS!!! JOIN A TKC BOYCOTT OF THE P&L DISTRICT UNTIL THEY END A DISCRIMINATORY CREDIT CARD ADMISSION POLICY!!!
Last night KICK-ASS TKC TIPSTERS were the first to BREAK NEWS OF OPPOSITION TO THE DISCRIMINATORY P&L DISTRICT ADMISSION POLICY!!!
I have to admit . . . I'm pissed about this corporate move from a company that Kansas City subsidizes.
THIS ISN'T EVEN ABOUT RACE, despite the fact that economic discrimination impacts people of color more than anybody else.
Real talk . . .
TKC IS THE FIRST MEDIA OUTLET TO STAND UP FOR THE WORKING POOR AND PEOPLE WITH BAD CREDIT AGAINST P&L DISTRICT FINANCIAL PROFILING FOR ADMISSION INTO THEIR HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED PARTY PLACE!!!
This isn't about white or Black or my beloved mocha frappachino Latinos . . . This is about GREEN.
For these reasons and so many more, I'm BEGGING everyone with a conscience to STAY AWAY FROM THE P&L DISTRICT UNTIL THEY STOP THIS ECONOMIC PROFILING!!!
1. KANSAS CITY RESIDENTS SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE OUT A LOAN FROM A BANK (I.E. A CREDIT CARD) TO ENJOY A HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT!!! FINANCIAL GURU DAVE RAMSEY WOULD PUKE IF HE KNEW ABOUT THIS . . . AND THEN HE'D PROBABLY AGREE WITH ME!!!
2. WITH THE P&L DISTRICT CLOSING UP RESTAURANTS AND NEEDING MORE THAN $12 MILLION FROM KANSAS CITY EVERY YEAR AMID SO MANY OTHER DISCRIMINATORY POLICIES . . . THIS LATEST EFFORT SEEMS TO FOLLOW THEIR PREVIOUS FAILURE TO PAY BACK KANSAS CITY!!!
3. THIS KIND OF ECONOMIC DISCRIMINATION SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR SERVICES PAID FOR BY KANSAS CITY!!!
4. P&L DISTRICT REJECTING PEOPLE WITHOUT CREDIT OR DEBIT CARDS MAKES ALL OF DOWNTOWN SEEM INACCESSIBLE TO KANSAS CITY'S WORKING POOR!!!
5. FINANCIAL PROFILING IS A LONG WAY FROM THE DOWNTOWN RENAISSANCE KANSAS CITY WAS PROMISED WHILE PAYING FOR THIS CONSISTENTLY MONEY LOSING OPERATION!!!
Sorry for shouting . . . But the language of this TKC boycott needs to be clear. And I pretty much know that I'm gonna win this one considering that every year the place comes up short of cash by the millions. Still . . .
TKC IS ASKING POLITICOS, RESIDENTS AND EVERYONE WHO OBJECTS TO CORPORATE FINANCIAL AND ECONOMIC PROFILING TO STAND AGAINST THESE DRACONIAN MEASURES!!!
Or maybe just find some locally-owed place that's more creative and takes cash.
DEVELOPING . . .
Good, good.
ReplyDeleteYes.
ReplyDeleteWe should all stay home and read this---
http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2011-06-09/news/knockout-king-elex-murphy-hoang-nguyen-dutchtown-murder/
I guess a protest is better than playing "Knockout King".
Tony, while personally, if I were inclined to go to the P&L, I would enjoy your company and that of Chuck and Radioman. I doubt that the PTB care if you boycott the P&L. My suspecion is that they would welcome your absence. As they say in real estate, it's location. A pricey venue, in that location in this DEPRESSION, is as you say a FAIL. However, you seem to be correct in that there is much less racial harmony than one would hope exists in our society. But maybe, it's more about the incresing divide between folks with money and most of us that are BROKE.
ReplyDeleteI sure hope THIS doesn't happen...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.wwltv.com/news/crime/Police-hope-surveillance-video-in-Bourbon-Street-double-shooting-leads-to-arrest-125277729.html
Oh, thats right, it already does.
7:32
ReplyDeleteYep, I am sure Cordish is hoping Tony will continue to call for a "Boycott".
CORDISH BIG WHEEL: "I sure hope Tony doesn't get everyone to boycott us, wow, cause, you know, those guys really tip big!!"
lmao...
While I completely agree with this, I fear that it isn't the eyes and ears of KC's fine suburban and urbanite's that you have to address. Much of the folks that come to P&L cross the border from Kansas. I could be wrong, but I sure do run a lot of Kansas drunk-tards from that place... I honestly don't know what kind of impact that would have on the boycott, but if this is about money, I'm sure they(P&L) wouldn't care where it came from.
ReplyDeleteFormer MAST, now one of AMERICA's Heroes. (Not by choice)
Wow Tony, I didn't realize that they specifically required that you use a credit card instead of a debit card until I read it here just now. This is sorta strange, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteTony....IN ALL DUE RESPECT....the P&L concept is not intended for the working poor. It's not an "all of KC" project and is not intended to serve as a hangout spot for poor people of any race or color. It is an economic enterprise not a community center.
ReplyDeleteThan all of KC Shouldn't have to pay for it.
ReplyDelete2,3, and 4 are all the same arguement.... You should shorten you list to three, it would make your argument much more powerful
ReplyDeleteI think 7:46 has brought us some reality here. The same is true of the Plaza.
ReplyDeleteTony should have learned the lesson that Keitsman learned trying to do a one jock campaign to get a ball stadium downtown. And Darla's to run for congress.
And these were people with broadcast reach and audience.
Tony's been hanging with Alonzo too much as he thinks he's become more influential than he is.
This is "good, good" , to quote Tony's 7:22 alter-ego. He will learn a lesson here. It's very hard to get an idea to go viral, but hey. Give it a shot, if you think upscale trendies from the south side and the golden ghetto actually read this room. I'm fairly sure they don't and as late summer readership goes down on blogs, P&L will probably earn more money with the non paying rif raff not dressing for the dance and paying the cover.
Hell, my wife and I might even venture down there but I expect it's mostly about drink and when we go out, we want better food than a better bar.
Most people with half a brain already boycott the place on the basis that it's over priced and looks like the jersey shore vs real housewives of atlanta.....
ReplyDeleteAnd the working poor that serves drinks in the p and l? Punishing them for taking the job?
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't see like you've though your cunning plan all the way through.
I'm boycotting. But Ive been boycotting for about a year. I think it would be much better to call on the working poor to just go down there and walk around the place. Since they can't get in...just clog up the entrance. Make the police ask you to move...then ask more to move...then ask more to move to where the drunk rich kids crossing the border wil be SCARED TO DEATH seeing the working poor just enjoying the sights and sounds of a taxpayer subsidized place. Trust me Cordish will only respond until the businesses they own (pretty much all the ones in the live block) start to hurt financially.
ReplyDeleteDid you feel as dumb coming up with your list as I did reading it?
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong, it is an outrage but I expect better from you Tony, especially the forced loans bit... Um debit card and elementary level math skills can prevent forced loans... You should probably just axe this post before anybody else sees it
To 7:46 and Radioman
ReplyDeleteYou two are off base. No one is charged an admission to the plaza, Zona rosa, 18th and Vine, or Town Center etc etc. So what makes tax subsidized place like p&l feel it can do the same? And if your argument is that it's designed for rich people.. Ok.. THEN STOP TAKING MONEY FROM POOR, RICH, AND MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES/PEOPLE via subsidies.
And by the way....ANYTHING CAN GO VIRAL IN MINUTES. It's July 19th, 2011. Twitter, Facebook, etc etc
@823 - it seems that the cover is only charged for certain events... meaning its most likely the promoters that are behind the fee, not the city, cordish or the businesses.
ReplyDeletewith a lack of time or place, this boycott is just blog noise
I will put it on twitter. I have over a thousand followers. @jmooreofpure. I hate power and light but @JCTHAGREAT and @djlightsout want to flood the place and just hang our and walk around outside just chillaxin. Which one shld we do people?
ReplyDeleteThey actually have two working. One Is to Hang out down there Friday at 7pm. Tony is calling got no one to go down there. But that I think excludes Friday at 7. We gone hang out outside and just chill our. Be peaceful. But not spend a dime.
ReplyDeleteOverall TKC does pretty good work with his efforts here but his compulsion to use the P&L to "level" societies playing field is wrong. It's another of so many efforts by left leaning media to disintegrate enterprises that engage with the aspiring part of the society. It's a trend associated with redistribution of the successes of the educated, aspiring and successful among us. Tony is either consciously or unconsciously playing into the political template of changing the country by throttling the success of private enterprise.
ReplyDeleteIs P&L a private enterprise or a govt facility that has special protection? That will be in the end what Cordish will bank on and unfortunately they will probably lose and the investment the city has made as "an enterprise partner" will be lost. The "Community Center" comment is well taken. Those facilities are public and are built in neighborhoods, not business districts.
If the cover is only for certain events then we may spare them this Friday. I'll have to check that.
ReplyDeleteprobably the one thats not like every other day, flooding the place with loiterers is just going to bump the unemployment figures.... how many of those thousand followers are actually in kansas city... how many frequent the p and l on a regular....
ReplyDeleteRacism, class warfare, culture of victimization, etc. It's always going to be something...
ReplyDeleteI go down there every once in awhile and have never had a problem. Granted, I dress normally and spend my money when I'm there.
Complain that it's subsidized, then complain they're trying to make money by charging admission for events. Makes a lot of sense...
Simple fact is this is hear-say and not really backed up with any proof (Tony's likely full of it). Like anywhere, if you have a problem with it, you don't have to go.
@ 835(1) thats the point they seem to miss, if p&l fails, its not cordish's dime to lose, its the cities
ReplyDeleteif it succeeds its cordish's to gain (with a net benefit for the city)
your outrage should be at the idiots who elected these officals to hire cordish
how many of your thousand followers vote? jackass.
Wil you right-wing idiots please stop bringing up "community centers" or "private enterprise". You wing nuts want the appearance of free enterprise, take TAX dollars, them want to circumvent the constitution by discriminating subtly. You can't have it both ways. You just can't. So either Cordish STOPS taking money from all of us poor, black, white, retarded, right wing crazy and so on. That way they cam just say we are a private club and no colored allowed. That would be better than the facade that's perpetrated now.
ReplyDeleteSo... minorities will not be spending money and not tipping. And this will be different from any other day how?
ReplyDelete@843, i though KCMO was historically a left leaning local government?
ReplyDeleteIf power and light fails then Cordish fails. The city can get rid of them and their bars, bring in local bars and restaurants and Cordish can go back to Baltimore. A win win for KC!!
ReplyDelete8:41 You're dead wrong. Cordish invested millions in the District. But you probably don't care. It's surely your opinion that they somehow stole the capital they've used there and that it's $ that should have been taxed and handed out to you.
ReplyDeleteSo what did the cordish people say when you CONTACTED THEM Tony? I mean you did actually follow up on this with some calls, talk to some people. Right? Right?
ReplyDeleteI was directed here by JCTHAGREAT. After reading these comments I'm all for "we can't be stopped" boycott this Friday. We just gone hangout and enjoy what this great city has built with our money. We gone enjoy the sights of the wonderful revitalized KC downtown. And I have 360 followers on twitter. Twitter is the shit.
ReplyDeletepoops coming out....
ReplyDelete@8:48
ReplyDeleteYou are comical. Always trying to say just because you disagree with Cordish you need a handout or you're poor or you don't spend money and so on. Truth is Cordish is hated in Louisville after they scammed the city, they are hated in KC after scamming the city, their development in Houston sucks, they are being fought in Portland to stop building their, Wyandotte county turned them down, and they had to fight to get a development in their own back yard in landover Maryland. Truth is Cordish is a company that preys on cities. The tide is turning in KC. Watch out Portland.
@848 I may have exaggerated the figures for effect (Tony taught me that one) but the point remains, people should be pissed at their elected officials instead of pushing all the blame on to the businesses.
ReplyDeleteI'm still outraged that the opened the area with an out of town BBQ place when BBQ is one of the things this city is known for. but my issue is with KCMO Eco Dev for making poor decisions, not blaming cordish for wanting paying customers
Cordish has more lawyers than employees. We need them.
ReplyDeleteThis BS is MINORITY vs. Majority political activism (some people call it reverse racism). Whites down there don't give a damn about anything but a good time without interference from loiters, cruisers and misbehavior.
ReplyDeleteThe City got into the deal to boost general fund $ that would be for the greater good of the city. THAT's RIGHT THE CITY DID IT TO MAKE $$$$$ !!!!!!!They engaged in a deal to run it and shared development cost. Now people want to tank it with thug behavior and race baiting BS.
@9:01
ReplyDeleteI'm center/left leaning moderate. African American and business owner. And I agree..the major blame for the Cordish debacle are the local politicians that gave the city away. Did you know Cordish owns the right for 99 yrs to control the patking lots. 99 yrs!!!! What city official would sign off on that.
Tony-there are several retail businesses in the P & L that are local and family owned, including our family jewelry store. We could really use local support! Our hope when choosing this location, as other tenants was to help downtown KC return to a vibrant, and viable asset once again. We invite you and your readers to stop by and visit....we're friendly and would like to meet the locals!
ReplyDeleteChristi Weaver-The Polished Edge Fine Jewelry
How is just hanging out in a peaceful protest thug behavior. That statement is racist. The protest KC is calling for is peaceful. Just hanging out with our fannypacks full of Gatorade. What the big deal. No thugs allowed.
ReplyDeleteSorry Christi...from the sounds of it you won't be around long. These people are being indoctrinated to hate businesses and successful enterprise. So farewell and good luck to you and your local taxpaying family.
ReplyDelete@905 Yes I have seen that, who cares about making money in the p and l when you have to be paid off to develop on a few flat parking lots that have next to 0 capital requirements...
ReplyDeleteand christi - some cities provide their business owners with services to help them select locations based of consumer spending info, what did KC do for you? I applaud your effort to be part of the solution (not sarcastic at all)
How is just hanging out in a peaceful protest thug behavior. That statement is racist. The protest KC is calling for is peaceful. Just hanging out with our fannypacks full of Gatorade. What the big deal. No thugs allowed.
ReplyDeleteI hate it when I agree with Tony.
ReplyDeleteEveryone should be happy they don't want stupid fucking niggers down there. Niggers ruin everything. I mean everything. GO CORDISH. FUCK NIGGERS. You stupid fucks should go protest and maybe some good ole fashioned hard working country boys can come play and select some workers. Oh wait never mind your all to fucking lazy.
ReplyDeleteWhich boycott to do??? Stay at home or go down there in my flip flops thus Friday and walk around?? Decisions fecisiond
ReplyDelete@9:29
ReplyDeleteYou must work for Cordish. Lmao. But we won't get indignant and hurl racial slurs back. We will go down there this Friday at 7, call the KC star and the major news organizations, and make a point. Works better than what you do....Internet Nazi. Of course you WOULD NEVER say the n word in public. Look In a mirror and you are looking at a straight coward.
WE WANT CORDISH OUT!!! WE WANT CORDISH OUT!!! let's start a movement for the city to take the p&l back and get local favorites in there like jack stacks and gates BBQ. Wha u think Tony?
ReplyDeleteWhat's the difference between NYC's Times Square and Boston Common and Westport and the Plaza? And Swope Park? And until last week, P&L? Or the old Haight Ashbury of the sixties? Do minorities in DC run down to the mall on Sunday afternoons to make their presence known politically? That is, a show of presence?
ReplyDeleteDo minorities feel the need in places like NYC and Boston to make a point about exercising their rights to go anywhere they want?
Is this about interest to congregate in popular places or more of a political statement?
And what's Tony's agenda here? Does KC seem like Johannesburg? I'm confused.
"What's going on?", to quote Marvin Gaye.
9:07 Christy, did you protest when Codish attacked the locally owned Peachtree Restaurant and Chef Burger who I am sure owed less rent than you currently owe. I didn't think so!!!
ReplyDeleteNow that the tide is turning you want sympathy where was your loyalty and sympathy for them.
9:07 Christy, did you protest when Codish attacked the locally owned Peachtree Restaurant and Chef Burger who I am sure owed less rent than you currently owe. I didn't think so!!!
ReplyDeleteNow that the tide is turning you want sympathy where was your loyalty and sympathy for them.
Who CARES. Half the people complaining probably have never been there. And if your poor and don't have a debit card or credit card then you don't belong there. There is A LOT more things to protest. Like why don't you all who wanna go peacefully march or hang go do it on the East side and help with the violence instead of playing the bullshit race card . Help save a life. Or are you to chicken and rather cause civil disorder ?????
ReplyDeleteTwitter guys put together a march and handout on benton or chestnut or Cleveland or euclid.
did you consider that maybe Cordish is trying to prevent its doormen from sticking the cash in their pocket? or maybe preventing their doormen from becoming robbery targets as they hold hundreds of dollars in their hand at night in downtown KC?
ReplyDeleteplaying the race card may get more viewers to your blog, but it's lazy reporting.
You wish
ReplyDeleteTo radioman:
ReplyDeleteEvery place you named has one major thing in common that is directly related to the conversation. THEY DON'T CHARGE ADMISSION!!! and are much more of historical tourist attractions. So your point is pointless. And besides..Cordish is KNOWN for their racial issues. From Baltimore to louisville to st Louis to KC.
The boycotts are designed for people of color to make sure that businesses run by Cordish are bot benefiting from the very people they don't want to see. Just check out the F NIGGER comnents. They don't want people of color there.
How about we do both. March on Benton and power and light. Both places need addressing. Great idea. Let's fire up the twitter again. This Friday is gonna be GREAAATT!!!
ReplyDeleteOnly problem is any Tony's protest group probably won't be much larger then the typical Westboro Baptist Church deal.
ReplyDeleteIf you black mofos come down here and just walk around I will instruct the KCpd to arrest all that aren't in our clubs and bars. Sorry johnnys tavern and Ragland road but Cordish businesses get paid first. So just try me...I'm nick.. I don't give a shit... And I'll beat u with my Cordish stick!!!
ReplyDeleteI meant to say I'm nick... The Cordish prick...with my lil d-ck!!!!
ReplyDeleteWell the F nigger comments have been made here because Tony doens't delete them, and on a wide manner of topics unrelated to P&L.
ReplyDeleteProbably by one or two anonymous hecklers who would probably lose interest if Tony saw fit to moderate his blog in a tasteful way.
Up until P&L sought to charge, what can we conclude from these various venues? Or others people might suggest? P&L is a bar district. There are bar districts all over the country. Some open air, some more like closed shopping centers.
You suggest Cordish has a point of view about minorities historically and intimate that minorities wish to increase their presence in some sort of test...or political statement to teach them a lesson. So they can't get away with that.
Given their investment, I can see why they might take steps to see that their investment is protected by assuring that a purchasing culture patronizes it rather than hang out non purchasing crowds.
I raised those other places because I've visited them and didn't see that kind of culture there, that in your fact, you can't stop us from hanging here culture, like we found more recently on the Plaza and now this place.
Lets not waste time pretending we dont understand the motives at work here. I chose too raise them to build some discussion that might be fruitful.
If my examples arent as good as some others, well fine. Lets have some discussion. I think we're dancing around it...and I suspect people want to do P&L in because they're pissed off that P&L would cater to a more moneyed culture... like the plaza does.
Do they not have a right to do so, or are loan guarantees, even moneys negate that right? If so, do we draw the same conclusion at the ball parks...and should we insist on pauper parking and cheap seats, or free seats because of their constant hand out for public monies?
I'm just trying to understand what this P*L or plaza area or any other upscale venue should be allowed to do in Kansas City? With or without public assistance or cover charges, or charges buried in expensive tickets?
Moreover, should KCMO poor people be allowed to a Streisand Concert free at the Sprint Center? I hear she charges a lot.
And is the live area considered just a public street or park or is it more part of the entertainment and worth charging for?
Do they keep the ten bucks or is it a couppon for one drink, or something like that?
Tony I applaud you for what you are doing. Keep up the good work. The people and media need to catch up to you and what you're exposing.
ReplyDeleteTo radioman:
ReplyDeleteI understand your desire for constructive discussion but I still believe your points are irrelevant. To take your point of view then the Montgomery bus boycott, ghandi boycotts, and many other PEACEFUL protest were a waste of time. The mere fact that Cordish is trying to discriminate by using your form of payment for entrance into a public place is the part that unfair and unacceptable. There are much better ways of doing that. For instance you brought up a streisand concert. Just play her music and the black youth would run away like mice. AfterAll that's what club do when the place becomes to urban if you know whAt I mean.
So don't jump on Tony, he's doing what the media And politicians should have done. Shake things up a bit to draw attention to something that is OBVIOUSLY causing an issue for an entire people in this city. And until you know how it feels to frequent a majority white bar/club one week playing hip hop, looking at a mix of colored faces in the crowd, much more than expected, and the next week the dj is playing techno only. And you're the only person of color in the place. Thats reality Radioman. And as an African American, Im not gonna tell a business what they can play. I'll just leave. But that a business..not a subsidized drinking park for semi adults. And that's the point.
We don't need to protest because we can't afford it in the first place!
ReplyDeleteNot being able to afford the p&l is a protest in itself.
ReplyDeleteTony can you do an investigation on the businesses that Cordish owns down there and how much they pay in rent. To my knowledge they own a stack in all the businesses in the KC live block except for johnnys tavern and raglan road. They're suing raglan road now for back rent. I bet there is a great story as to why their businesses don't owe back rent while they propose others do. Sounds like nefarious business practices to me.
ReplyDeleteThis stinks. If you don't take AMERICAN LEGAL TENDER then you don't deserve to do business in the U.S.
ReplyDeleteNuff said.
ya know there's lots of venues that don't interest me enough to pay the fee, or even show up for free.
ReplyDeleteThe Montgomery bus protest is way different. This is about upscale. I think Cordish has a right to establish an upscale, trendy place, just like lots of NY bars. Pay th price, look cool, dress well, and you can get in.
Can't cut it, try again next week. Look like a punk, well don't force your way in unless you want a busted head.
Discrimination exists. Race, culture, money, cool. Get over it. The world has its exclusivity.
People take this equality and rights shit too far. Go have fun where you're welcome. Be comfortable. If 18th and Vine was cool like Harlem, well, there'd be lines. 18th&vine got plenty of money and probably still does.
But it never made the grade. Take your cool ass to 18th and vine, spend some money and watch the place grow. I'll see ya there because I like jazz. Just keep the riff raff who doens't have any money down at Swope Park.
just paving the way for the dollar to go the way of the Dinar... Cheaper than toilet paper. Much easier to switch currencies in a digital form, complaining about this is just a "Cordish doesn't like East KC" issue just shows that you miss the big picture.. again
ReplyDeleteTony is now the lover of fish sticks.
To radioman:
ReplyDeleteWhat the heck are you talking about. ITS A PUBLIC PLACE!!! they have NO NONE ZILCH NADA right to tell people they can't get into the live block on their appearance. Now if makers mark, shark bar, raglan road said they want a certain type of dress in their place then that's ok. NOT THE LIVE BLOCK!! And you are right. I think they should go to the crossroads and sound their money. But if they don't want to do that, you can't force them to. This is not south Africa 1970!!! And 18th and vine??!! You give them 12 mil a year and watch what happens. That's as long as you have people running the place with oversight that won't steal the money.
TKC calls for protest on the PnL.
ReplyDeleteIn other news, he never calls for protests, marches, or boycotts on the ongoing violence on the east side. In other news he mocks and ridicules Waldo rape vigils in the past.
Tony I applaud you and your effortS. However, The perfect boycott for the P & L District is as follows:
ReplyDeleteFRIDAY NIGHT AT 7:00 PM BLACKS, WHITES, LATINO'S AND ASIANS MEET AT THE P & L DISTRICT WALK AROUND,LAUGH AND TALK PEACEFULLY AND DON'T SPEND A CENT. UNTIL P&L CHANGE AND IS INCLUSIVE TO ALL TAXPAYERS.
Tony....do you know the difference between a credit and a debit card?
ReplyDeleteGo ask you Mom, I am sure she has both.
Go on with your protest. The only ones protesting cant afford to drink and eat at P&L anyway, and were just showing up to hang out and not spend money.
You can get a debit card at Walmart for crying out loud.
To Radioman:
ReplyDeleteFurthermore...you have more police downtown in the live block than in all of east KC, 18th and vine and the southside combined. Maybe if the KCPD stopped sucking cordishs dick and spread some police protection around maybe some areas could flourish also.
Hey 11:56: Those KCPD you see downtown are almost all off-duty paid by Cordish. Just an FYI to your rant about poor folks getting shafted. Of course they won't talk to the po po when a crime happens anyway.
ReplyDeleteTO radioman:
ReplyDeleteOnce again you prove tonys point. If Cordish has the right to establish a trendy place excluding certain types of people because they have that right(even with tax subsidies), then Tony has every right to ask to boycott.
11:52: Hate to tell you, but the Live Block is certainly NOT a public place. It is a venue just like the rest. They have the right to shut it down, fence it off or charge admission at will.
ReplyDeleteThey have the right to do that but the City also has a say since they are taking millions of dollars from Kansas City every year.
ReplyDeleteBecause they take that money, their rights are limited. If they don't like it. Then they can give the money back.
To 12:00 pm
ReplyDeleteThats bs. They are not mostly off duty dumbass. KCPD does not allow police officers to use OFFICIAL POLICE VEHICLES OFF DUTY you ass!!
You mentally stunted idiots who keep calling out the fact that there isn't a 'local' BBQ place in the Power & Light. Who gives fuck about a BBQ place? You must still live with your mom and jerk off to video games. There are real problems in our city and that's what you have to bitch about? Lame.
ReplyDelete11:52 - if they serve liquor the live block must be in and of itself an establishment, they don't give liquor licenses to hot dog vendors, just because its open air (o wait it has a roofish thing) doesn't make it a public venue.
ReplyDeleteIt still sucks but your argument is better if you get your facts straight
is the cover all the time or is it part of a special event?
what is the rational behind only using cards, is it like the airlines touting convince of not keeping change on hand?
is it an internal security measure to prevent employee theft?
Is it a means of discrimination, or identification?
people are all up to get outraged but all I've seen fact wise is one anon tipsters account that probably covered all of 20 min of one evening, one day of the year... and Tony's 1.5 repetitive and down right ignorant (to the banking industry) reasons to protest.
let me show you my shocked face
0_o
THIS IS AMERICA, ACCEPT OUR LEGAL TENDER OR GET OUT.
ReplyDelete@12:04 you are now the fish sticks.. the point is that the eco-dev people are so far dis attached from the city and what its strengths are that they missed one of the major marketable points this city has to offer and threw in generic crap when there was a strong local offering.
ReplyDeletedo you really think that socio-economic problems get solved with out strong local businesses? you can't keep buying jobs, its not sustainable and somebody always has a bigger wallet to pull them away.
go finish your GED jackass
Boycott TKC until he stops demeaning women.
ReplyDeleteTo 12:03
ReplyDeleteSorry but your facts are off. They use the same city statute to close the live block down as regular citizens do to close down their streets for block parties are special events. And once again it's NOT a security issue. The fact that all of their parking lot garages have attendants that accept cash, in isolated places, debunks your point. PLEASE NOTE THE PRICE TO PARK VARIES DEPENDING ON THE EVENT. FROM $2-20 in most cases. Also...they switch the street parking signs from free street parking to NO STREET PARKING during concerts to force people to pay to park. Another fleecing of the public ok'd by the city.
i thought you already left, TKC wrote a Eulogy.... If alonzo quit I bet we'd get a sex tape
ReplyDeleteBryon you must be gay!!!
ReplyDelete1219 - there is no 1203, parking attendants have booths with drop boxes not folding tables.... keep playing
ReplyDeleteFrom JCTHAGREAT!!
ReplyDelete#boycottp&l ......twitter
Time :7pm
Date: Friday, July 23rd
Peaceful, respectful, non-violent protest. We just want all people of color to visit what our tax dollars helped build. Go and view the sprint center, have a drink at johnnys, raglan road, the mixx, genghis and bristols. Enjoy what the city has to offer. Avoid the kclive bloak or you may be arrested by the KC Gestapo!! Pass this along. Retweet please!!
Tony, don't listen to Byron. Keep right on demeaning women!
ReplyDeletewait you want to protest a DMB Cover band on a free night with dollar beers (if you consider miller light to be beer)..... now it all makes sense. except that it doesn't... at all.
ReplyDeleteCan i get a dime bag?
To: 12:22
ReplyDeleteLike I said...parking garages!!! Not parking lots!! I work down there. I know. And if they had drop boxes what good wld that do if they dropped the money in their pocket if you're claiming security.
-KCPD does not allow police officers to use OFFICIAL POLICE VEHICLES OFF DUTY you ass!!-
ReplyDeleteAnd the off duty guys working the Costco parking lot are driving what? Paper mache mockups? They look like real police cars to me.
internal vs external crimes, employee safety, much easier to see if there are more cars in a lot than cars paid for instead of people in a crowded space... but i digress
ReplyDeletefrom the P&L site
ARE CONCERTS AND OTHER EVENTS IN THE DISTRICT AND KC LIVE FREE?
You've heard it right! The District hosts a variety of events, from family days to concerts, to parties and conventions. There a few events where there will be a small cover charge, but the majority of all the events held in the District are free. Some events also have an age limit, and are only for guests 21 and older, so be sure to read the details of each event carefully on the event calendar of this website. Please note that events held at individual venues may have different restrictions and charges.
CAN I HOLD A PRIVATE EVENT IN THE POWER & LIGHT DISTRICT, KC LIVE, OR ANY OF THE POWER & LIGHT DISTRICT VENUES?
Yes, please fill out the form here in order to schedule your private event.
DOES KC LIVE! HAVE A CODE OF CONDUCT?
Yes. Please know the KC Live! outdoor area has a code of conduct: patrons must be 21 years of age or older and possess a valid ID for entry; no loitering; no weapons; no panhandling; no solicitation; no disorderly conduct; no bicycles or skateboards; no professional photography cameras; no backpacks; no lawn chairs. The following is not permitted under the KC Live! dress code: sleeveless shirts on men; profanity on clothing; sweat pants or full sweat suits; bandanas; exposed undergarments (including undershirts) on men. Management reserves the right to deny entry or remove any individual who does not comply with the code of conduct. Please note that the dress codes of individual venues may vary. For any questions or concerns, please ask to speak to a supervisor or please call 1-877-697-5347.
how many protester have called the number to question policy?
ReplyDeleteHow many just join the outrage cause its trendy?
If KC is paying for it then we have a say. Simple as that.
ReplyDeleteyou do, with you vote as this country is a republic and not a democracy, you have to care before your elected officials fuck you over...
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ReplyDeleteStill no note of credit/debit vs cash. And once again, how hard is it to have a manager or supervisor on the money. If you're a club you can account for your money at the door, how come a multi-billion dollar company. Makes no sense. Sorry.
Pretty obvious to me - Cordish has an advertisement that explains everything in pretty clear terms....
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9rw9_-m_5U
Enjoy.
The last sentence in the code of conduct says it all. They can change when they want to. It's BS!!! I know people kicked out or denied for wearing work boots. Work boots!!! Give me a break. That's why I will never spend a dime in power and white. Go Tony and JCTHAGREAT. I like the two phase boycott protest. Genius.
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GO JCTHAGREAT
once again, i have no horse here, I don't go cause it over priced and over rated but my best guess is that it more the deal of promoters who would qualify as a private party and that the credit vs cash has nothing to do with cordish, im sure they have to pay a security fee for the "door guys" and set their own standards as they have rented the venue... if they accept cash they probably have to fund a change box and trust outsourced employees...
ReplyDeletethis is just my opinion and is no way based in fact as I have no need to inquire about renting out the live block, maybe I'm wrong but that is what i conclude by looking at the various event postings. really I'm just board.
I'm down with a boycott.
ReplyDeleteJ.W. - Thats some great testimony if i was an ambulance chasing lawyer looking to make a name for myself... hung to my mid thigh maybe lower but others were untucked..... I love the spliced in cuts you made just to try and make it a racial issue. even tkc gave up and called it an economic one.
ReplyDeleteIt is both an economic and a race issue. What makes you think the race issue has gone away?
ReplyDeleteIt started as a race issue, and now in a more broad and sweeping way they are attacking on a racial *and* an economic front.
Get your head out of your ass and see it for what it is.
Hold on, i gotta go get me some remmy for 40 and 2 bottles of Moet for 30, but its only 90 here, why 100 there?
ReplyDeleteNOTE TO ALL LATINOS/BLACK PEOPLE:
ReplyDeleteThey don't want you down there, they don't think you tip, they don't want to see your faces, they don't care about your money, they are afraid for their safety if any person of color is around, so just screw them and spend YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY somewhere else.
Simple deduction people. Let them have their place to get drunk and pass out.
you do the math...
ReplyDeletethats funny I buy a 12 pack of bud light for 11.99 but an 18 only cost 12.99, you can't explain that...
ReplyDeleteThe previous comment was not mine. Why must I be gay? I have a mother, a sister & a daughter. Women shouldn't be demeaned because its stupid. I support this boycott!
ReplyDeleteIn a moment you will see why I stopped making comments ...
We, yes we the taxpayers, shelled out an initial $300,000,000 for this "district" and now we are looking at an additional $11,000,000 per year to keep it afloat.
ReplyDeleteWhere does the money go? It goes to Baltimore, Maryland. It does not turn over in our local economy.
Travesty. And the worst part? People are too stupid to vote for real change. They just want to live in the 30-second soundbite world and pretend that they can make a difference without doing any of the real work.
The real work is making waves, telling people what the situation is - exactly what Tony is doing.
Thankfully we have someone like him who is willing to do the hard work of keeping tabs on all this stuff.
My two cents: Too many anonymous posters, afraid to put their name to their statements. Pussies all.
JW didn't you just post a 30 sec sound bite screaming white power and discrimination? pick a side jackass.
ReplyDeleteJW THAT VIDEO WAS GREAT. I THINK THAT'S THE CORDISH OFFICIAL ADVERTISEMENT
ReplyDeletesorry 170 sec...
ReplyDeleteMany of you have attention spans that are so pitifully small that I fear using more than a few hundred seconds of video. I know I will lose you.
ReplyDeleteOne must use soundbites to appeal to the soundbite hungry masses in the hopes of rallying you to stand up for our rights. The PnL is a contemporary experiment in Fascism.
I am using the literal definition of fascism, by the way. Do you get that? Do you see that? Are you smart enough to recognize that the PnL is literally a fascist experiment.
Probably not. OK, I am fine with that. I understand. But your ignorance in no way mitigates the fact that we have to pay out $11,000,000 per year on top of the $300,000,000 we already shelled out.
And for what? A place for white suburbanites from Kansas to go jello wrestle? Sad.
Pathetic, actually.
So get off your asses and write to your council people and insist that they pay attention to the fact that using underhanded tactics to keep ordinary people out is a disgrace to our city, and to the City council!
Hold them accountable!
Or don't. Stay on the bottom of the barrel, looking up, without a clue.
Those are your options.
Hope you stay back, byr.
ReplyDeleteWhat a circus a discussion thread can be. Hopefully people will be both wise and civil...for incivility certainly gets in the way of what could be good points.
So what is it... is the live area a public street or private property? And what are the legal ramifications of that?
I'm still troubled why people can't accept a dress code, and in fact a cover charge in an entertainment district.
Perhaps it would exist if people would behave and or not turn it into a richman poorman pissing contest. I think what the venue holders are trying to do is prevent disorderly conduct.
I think Tony's time is better spent on other issues. Wonder how he'd feel if KCSD would instill a dress code and insist on kids paying their fees and getting their shots before admission into public schools?
Would that be a racial problem or a solution not unlike he calls for to end the murder rate on the east side?
Sounds like he wants a cure but doesn't want to taste the medicine.
Sad part is we agree, I am the white KS suburbanite that you are complaining about, and i know the definition of fascist and I avoid the P&L along with the other KCMO entertainment districts because I believe that their voters are complete idiots for chosing their elected officials over the past decade and not holding them responsible for their actions. What sucks is I'm smart enough to realize that both JOCO, WYCO and KCMO are all in this shit together and the problems are not isolated to one area but the majority of people continue to blame one race or another for their ills and to put out proclamations in you tube videos based on partial facts. Nobody cares about the root cause of the issues, just who they can point fingers at and blame cause they aren't allowed to "Chill"
ReplyDeleteGet Bent JW, apparently you are an arm chair physicist as well as an arm chair civil rights activist
who reviews their own kindle book?
They are only going to lose money from working folks (black, brown and white who make up the majority of the blue-collar area) who come down their unaware of the policy. They will either have maxed out credit cards or actually have went to the ATM and took the money off the ATM/Debit card for the evening to make sure they didn't overspend. However they are not the ones who cause trouble.
ReplyDeleteThis won't keep out the folks Cordish wants out. Many of them either actually have debit cards filled with government subsidies once a month (or at least their baby mama's do). I don't see what is stopping them from using those to get in. They also know the beauty of pre-paid cards from the check cashing place.
That's why I think Tony should take a bus load of the very type of black and Latino and working poor whites that Cordish doesn't want there, make sure they are dressed according to code and get them all pre-paid debit cards with just enough to pay admission and order one cheap drink. Let them loose on the wannabe JoCo thousandaires and let nature take its course.
does the left not want a single party well-fare state where decisions about your well being are made for you, could that also be labeled fascist? Jackass.
ReplyDeleteit plays both ways
Radioman, we paid a $300,000,000 cover charge at the outset. Also, at $11,000,000 per year and assuming a population of 500,000, we *each* pay $22 per year in subsidies. I think that should entitle all of us to *at least* a few free parking coupons.
ReplyDeleteMy review of my own book was an attempt to explain to a neophyte that my work (The Theory of Quantum Relativity) relates to the quantization of the energy associated with the velocity operator. Do you have any idea what that means? I didn't think so.
And how, Radioman, does denying a person with cash access to club remove the possibility of disorderly conduct? Are people with credit cards the only people who know how to behave?
Talk about classist.
No it doesn't make them behave but they are easier to track down to pay for their misdeeds.
ReplyDeleteand yes I understand the theory behind angular momentum impacting a rotating mass, I took High School Physics, do you understand that it takes paying customers to run a business?
jackass.
Dam Tony. Seem to have struck a nerve. Over a 100 comments!!! Keep it going Tony. Must be saying something worthwhile.
ReplyDeleteWTF does the welfare state have to to with the PnL District.
ReplyDeleteOh, I get it, The PnL district *is* on welfare. to the tune of $11,000,000 per year.
Point conceded.
I *do* run a business. So yes I do understand.
ReplyDeleteAlso I am not talking about your high school understanding of angular momentum I am talking about Schrodinger's equation for square integrable states and demonstrating the the Time Operator is equivalent to an interaction with a photon and using that understanding offering up an equation that eliminates the need to use the Lorentz Contraction and replaces it with a quantum-relativistic (transactional) equation. And as I explain this enables one to understand what is happening when the magnetic field is made attractive in a supercooled Bose-Einstein Condensate.
Damn. Seriously? You want to lecture me on my field? Laughable.
To radioman:
ReplyDeletePlease stop commenting. Your point that Cordish wants to make sure they keep order is just ridiculous. Of course they do. EVERY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE VENUE DOES!!! but that is and has never been the issue. We all want drugs to decline, but only picking on black or Latino drivers doesn't help stop tw decline of drugs.
Also, picking on middle-aged white men to stop child molestation is wrong also. The problem is the crime itself, and trying to prevent it while discriminating against someone does not fix the problem. Period
I was just trying to see how your field relates to eco-dev and socio economic policy, I'd call it relativity.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the practical use for your research of super cooling and energy transfer? Does it get poor people credit cards?
I am a business person. I don't want poor people to have credit cards; I want poor people to be freed from the shackles of credit.
ReplyDeleteI own my own home outright. I have tried to work with the City Manager to develop a system of micro-loans so that people could pay for foreclosed and tax-delinquent homes. As it stands, only the wealthy can afford to go to the courthouse steps and pay for these homes (they are usually less than $10,000 but you have to pay with cash). Guess what - nobody (in the banking industry) wants to see poor people get ahead.
So instead our local government gives up $300,000,000 to develop what amounts to an economic sinkhole while richy-rich types come in, buy up cheap homes, and then rent them out through Section 8.
Sad, miserable nightmare. Not because I don't want to help poor people, or see them find a home. But because they are exploited.
What are *you* doing?
Who cares? If you can't get a checking account with a debit/credit card. Maybe you should not be out!
ReplyDeleteThis August 29th there will be a huge tax delinquency auction. Properties will for less than $3,000. I am talking about houses.
ReplyDeleteDo you know hwy none of you, or few of you, know about this? Because those in power have no interest in seeing you there. They don't want you there. They want those properties all for themselves.
You want to make a difference? Let's all get together and throw down some money and buy a few of these homes. Then, we can do a bit of rehab and sell them at cost to people in need.
Would that satisfy your call for social justice? Probably not.
But at least I tried.
an eco dev policy that uses city resources to support a larger group of small business (and citizens) by giving them access to the type of business intelligence that multi-nationals have access to through their POS systems. By spending money on shared community resources instead of luring in business in a city can become more resistant to negative trends by spreading out their resources across more businesses in order to spur growth from with in. but thats just a hobby.
ReplyDeleteTo put it in scientist terms - not putting all of your tax payer dollars in one wallet.
I said we agree and I meant it, but your racist you tube videos help nothing and only serve to create a deeper divide
I don't see how any of what you're doing relates to physics unless your breaking out the wrecking ball
J.W. You are on point. You have to have graduated from an HBCU!!! you're killing them!
ReplyDeleteBest Flame War Ever.. Beats the Alonzo Post by atleast 60 comments
ReplyDeleteWTF?>
ReplyDeleteLet's say that the PnL is a giant black hole. That means that it absorbs more energy than it emits.
OK. Is that physics enough for you?
So, in this case, the PnL is like a black hole that is sending energy to the other side of the Universe (Baltimore).
Now, I want to see KC create exothermic financial reactions by facilitating local business and by helping people find low-cost homes. That would give them more money (energy) to place into the local economy, thereby increasing the velocity of real dollars inside what economists call the "circular flow of money".
The PnL works as a dampening device; it removes energy form the system (local economy). My work in mathematical physics stems from my (previous) career as a science and technology information broker. What that amounted to was helping companies and nations develop more deadly ways of killing their neighbors.
Not really what I wanted to do. So now I run an art gallery. My goal is to represent more and more local artists and to facilitate their making money. So that they can contribute to the circular flow of money.
The PnL is a drain on everything in this city. Just accept that (or don't). But the math does not lie.
We each contribute a minimum of $22 to keep that place afloat. While many of us cannot even go there! I want to spend my $22 on other things.
cool story bro! You just used science to prove the obvious. Give this man some grant money. we have derailed. Yes its the black hole, but how is fighting a temporary event that requires a plastic cover charge going to fix things?
ReplyDeleteIs protesting to "Chill" and "Not Spend a Dime" going to bring it back to an equilibrium or give it a positive retail pull factor, is it going to prevent the legends from sucking retail business from surrounding counties?
I get it, you know what your talking about, i'm just looking for solutions. Finding ways to finance cheap homes for those that can't maintain a bank account isn't the solution, just ask Billy C.
The end.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lfnc8pw8vY&NR=1
how witty of you
ReplyDeleteSUCKAS!!!!!! We already got your money. Now shut the fuck up and pay our entrance fee!!!
ReplyDeleteJ.W. You are on point. You have to have graduated from an HBCU!!! you're killing them!
ReplyDeleteOk, one more time for the slow witted know-it-alls above.
ReplyDeleteThe KCPD officers inside the Live Block are in fact being paid by Cordish.
Also, the Master Development Agreement cedes full management control of the Live Block to Cordish. Like it or not they DO NOT have to get a permit of any type to close it at any time. The streets are another matter.
happy to help you morons.
As is all the officer working in the parking garages they are off duty for standard parking.
ReplyDeleteCordish police officers are not off duty. They are on the clock. My husband is not off the clock. Unless he's lying to me which I doubt.
ReplyDelete2:58: Cordish pays for the cops in the Live area, period. Ask KCPD. How they pay the cops is another matter. Now if you husband is lying to you is another matter. There are a lot of hot little skanks down there.
ReplyDeleteLook 258 when your assigned to p and l off duty thru cya which is the off duty system used you are paid by p and l . NOT the dept. He is NOT on the dept dime. Unless he's bike patrol or some other specialized unit. I know cause I work down there. Soooo if he's not either of those better check him cause its OFF DUTY.
ReplyDelete258 your stupid. Your husband is getting pussy on the side all while telling you he's working . Hahaha dumb ass.
ReplyDeleteUSA! USA! USA! If we all work together we can get to 200 worthless post. Join hands and make this blog the most irrelevant thing in kansashitty regardless of race. I Have a Dream that If we Build it they will charge a cover.
ReplyDeleteCordish people are commenting now. They know the ends and out. Whos on the line...nick Benjamin, Kevin battle??? Go Cordish!!! It's your bday!!! Go Cordish!! It's your bday
ReplyDelete2:58: Your cop husband is gay. He's probably getting a strip search from another cop.
ReplyDeleteI don't think this is race related. Heck, the mayor is black if you haven't noticed. I'll bet he has a credit/debit card or two.
ReplyDeleteCan you imagine the problems with accepting loads of cash at unsecure locations? Robbery, employee theft, counterfeit bills, etc.
It may be inconvenient, but they make the rules.
Maybe you'd be happy if the would accept WIC and Vision cards?
If you're POOR, you shouldn't BE at P&L. I wonder how Dave Ramsey would feel about THAT!
The PnL is receiving its own version of Vision assistance, to the tune of $11,000,000 per year.
ReplyDeleteI think if the PnL is on welfare they should not discriminate against people in a similar economic condition. Seems like a double standard to me.
I mean, the PnL is like a giant welfare recipient but it only wants to host people who are not on welfare. Outrageous. Maybe if it was self-supporting I would agree that it could make its own rules. But it is NOT self-supporting.
It is the largest welfare recipient in KC.
Or, am I wrong about that?
That what I am saying!
ReplyDeleteJ.W. is showing a lot of wisdom in this post. He seems like the only one who knows that P&L is responsible to the taxpayers.
ReplyDeletei thought you left. jackass. the point is beaten to death, you pay $22 a year so you want one night of free parking to go see Bill Nye live at the SC. We Get IT.
ReplyDeleteMoving on to solutions.
How is encouraging people to spend disposable income they don't have considered responsible regardless of how the district is financed. if you are on assistance, odds are you don't pay that $22 fee you keep touting.
and they are not responsible to the tax payers they are responsible to the elected officials who are responsible to the tax payers the real problem is everybody lets the intermediary off the hook when they are in the best position to make changes.
ReplyDeleteThe fact is there used to be viable local businesses down there. Soakies, for instance. But that was a "black" bar and so therefore obviously not the image the city wanted.
ReplyDeleteGuess what - Soakies paid taxes! The city had no $11,000,000 yearly liability prior to the creation of the PnL District.
Now you want solutions? We have to begin by discussing what is equitable. What is equitable is allowing the largest cross-section of Kansas City residents to feel like they are welcome in a tax-subsidized District. We need inclusion.
What we have is racism and economic xenophobia. But look at the Crossroads. Every first Friday we have black people, latino people, white people, mixed people, and people of every imaginable economic background, all mixing together.
What makes it special? What makes it work? It was not developed top down, it was locally grown.
Now developers want to push the local components out and replace them with... you guessed it, more top-down development.
And more subsidies.
We start by protesting and making our voices heard. We start be demanding that a district that is itself on welfare not use racial and economic discrimination to play host to white suburbanites.
We begin by demanding more from our representatives.
IT is already happening.
Westport welcomes all law abiding citizens regardless of how they pay. Not all of our patrons enter the bars and restaurants, but most spend money with the street vendors or Joe's Pizza. Coming from the old school even I see the need to resolve these issues and move on it's 2011 and nobody's going anywhere.
ReplyDeleteJW makes some good points with excellent analogies.
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That said, if a couple of thousand folks show up for a protest, what is the over - under on assaults and shootings?
Hot Rod... Yes, Westport welcomes all law abiding citizens... Guess you forget the years of near riots and fights trying to keep the blacks and teens out? The $1 admission fee to walk down the city streets. The blasting of country music on the sidewalks...
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ReplyDeleteYea.. The cops would be shooting because they would be scared shitless. Typical police behavior. White cops are so scary and violent.
LETS GET THE " WE CAN'T BE STOPPED" PROTEST ROLLING!!!!!
ReplyDeletePeaceful
Respectful
Disciplined
#boycottp&l
Why is Cordish starting this credit card thing, if not to preserve order and a culture that it seeks to serve?
ReplyDeleteSpare me the quantum physics or I'll sick my son on you. Oh NM.
Too many egos here, this was supposed to be about a half baked boycott against a business because the people boycotting are racists and want to put their fingerprints on everything in town. Those are egos too. Tiresome.
I'm no fan of P&L and I think if downtown can't be viable, it should be bulldozed up and turned into wilderness. As far as I'm concerned a good sized part of KC could be reclaimed to nature.... but that the owners will lose money on it.
Too many people in here have egos as big as their mouths... and their bank accounts don't have sufficient credit limit. Sorry, but if Cordish wants an upscale place, that's their business. City went along with it... too much whining going on. I wonder if this argument is really legit...for I can't imagine that most people pretending indignancy really like rubbing elbows with the Walmart crowd. They may like to buy everything there, but sometimes they also like to walk through plaza and zona shops away from the riff raff.
Moreover the same motivation is apparent from the wilders on the plaza as this verbal sewage on P&L.
Why don't we open up the Nelson to refrigerator art...in the spirit of diversity?
Stewardess, do you happen to have an airsickness bag? I think I'm choking on that word diversity.
All the people bitching about this couldn't get their lazy asses organized and get five people to a protest, much less a thousand. Face it, the people who are impacted by this are lazy, shifty no goods, who have no ability to fight "the man." Thus, they will bitch from the public library computer on here and then go back to looking at porn.
ReplyDeleteTony, I applaud your call to arms but this isn't nothing new. Check out the book, "Free Lunch" by David Cay Johnston. Rich fat cats have always had taxpayer subsidies to help fund their multi-million dollar, privately owned projects. And here they are advocating for the free market! HAR HAR HAR! Fucking hypocrites. Plain and simple.
ReplyDeleteThis has been an reminder that the left-right paradigm is FALSE.
@ Anon 4:33
ReplyDeleteI actually helped put up the lights, choose the music, and actually have fought in the streets dealing with this. These were poor solutions granted, but standing around saying, "Oh No" is not one either.
To radioman:
ReplyDeleteNo one cares about power and light. Go there Sun-thurs and it's a ghost town. Only business is fri and sat night. Truth is the egos just want to let people know that Cordish is the biggest welfare recipient in Kansas city. You can't deny that. So your non-diversity rant is irrelevant. It's not about diversity. Nor the Nelson art gallery. It's about a Baltimore company who gets millions from taxpayers, and pretend like they don't, and that they're entitled to do whatever they want. That's why I say just DON'T SPEND MONEY DOWN THERE.
Like grandma said... Bought sense is better than told.
I don't see the fascination with that place. Better off going to Westport and having original fun. I do believe they take cash.
ReplyDeleteSoakies, for instance. But that was a "black" bar -
ReplyDeleteIt was a "black gay" bar, dumbshit. Ask Tony, he "participated" in some hot glory hole action there.
I'm black, good job, 45 yrs old, college graduate, and because the perception of that district is so negative, I won't even go and eat down there. So to the people who think boycotts like this doesn't work think again.... There are alot ALOT of people who just wont spend a pesos down there. And that's unfortunate for the businesses not owned by the Cordish Corporation.
ReplyDeleteNo that was radioman and nick Benjamin on that black stuff at soakies. Ask them.
ReplyDelete5:20, you're a moron. This whole boycott thing is exactly about diversity.
ReplyDeleteEvery company on the planet does what it wants...and the braintrust in here has its nose out of joint because this one wants an upscale goodtime place. But yas just can't fuckin stand it. And you pretend this is the biggest welfare payment in town.
That's utterly hilarious. Half of the federal budget is welfare for somebody or other, whether individuals or corporations and their union workers.
Diversity is crap. Invented by the have nots because they want what they don't. And they want free cuts in line for diversities' sake.
Don't like the P&L? Boycott it. or in other words, spend your money at Manny's. Or fly to SA and spend an evening at ElMercado having dinner with the brass and the birds. You'll have a fine time.
AND STFU about what you think of companies that don't cater to your target group.
Just don't go there. This is not quantum physics, is it?
On more little secret. Cordish and Company can do without Tee and everybody he motivates in here, thankyou very much. All couple dozen of you.
Listen minorities...club 1822, Americas pub, expressions, club luna, and club retro ALL are in the downtown area or westport. Black people you don't need to go to the Power and white district. They don't want you there so why sound money with people that basically say FUCK U!!! for the life of me I don't get it. I wld rather go to any other place than those. To get my money... You either have to want me or appreciate me.
ReplyDeleteThats what I tell Radiomans wife every Thursday. Shes loves my black package. She's says her snatch wants a
little diversity. Lmao!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21gdnfRtgrg
ReplyDeleteThe End
TO RADIOMAN:
ReplyDeletePoint 1. Federal dollars didn't pay for p&l, state and local taxes did
Point 2. Federal budget is dominated by defense budget, Medicare and social security. Where does the federal govt pay unions anything?
Point 3. Welfare? Corporations like Cordish are the biggest recipients of federal welfare. Companies like GE, EXXON, BANKOFAMERICA pay little to nothing in taxes. That should outrage your broke ass!!
Point 4. Cordish cares. They're scared shitless. They have projects in two other cities that are on hold because of their " racial" issues. They lost the casino in Wyandotte county because of their "racial issues".
Point 5. You keep making a laughable point about diversity and how much it's a joke. This is not about diversity. It's about fairness. Are you slow you re-tard. Why can't you accept that. No one is saying they need more hip hop clubs, more r&b bars, more Latino workers. Thats wanting diversity.
So take the time to get your fat pasty ass off your moms couch and learn a little. You fucking dumb bitch!!!
Since when is FAIRNESS part of a business model? Fairness to whom?
ReplyDeleteI am really slow, you're right. Explain th fairness problem with the credit card deal...that's what we're talking about, right?
ANd if it was a cash only, no credit cards at the venue, would that likewise be unfair to those who use plastic and not paper? Te apparently thinks its not about racism, its about descrimination against people who have bad credit.
Which car dealers also do. Not racism, but bad credit. Didn't someone else mention prepaid cards?
So write a little treatise on fairness and who should be fair and to whom...and for how much. Thanks.
Frankly, people with bad credit should stay out of P&L and convenience stores that sell beer and cigarettes too. And they discriminate as well...against people whose credit is so bad they dont even have cash.
Is there a problem, officer?
To Radioman:
ReplyDeleteYes...the civil rights bill, the US constitution protects FAIRNESS in business practices. Meaning you can't discriminate against a group or religion in your business practices. And the credit card issue is quirky. I don't agree totally with Tony that that's to keep minorities out. My debate is with the district as a whole and their clear policy of keeping it clean and white. Which is FINE!!! DO THAT CORDISH. But when you do don't take taxpayer money. That's it. Those Same convenience store patrons pay city and state taxes on that beer, cigarettes and chips and soda. Every purchase. So they have just a right to go to a PUBLICLY SUBSIDIZED PLACE like the live block. Whether they can afford the place or not.
I think you misread tony. here's what he said... not racial but descriminate against those with bad credit. to wit:
ReplyDeleteTHIS ISN'T EVEN ABOUT RACE, despite the fact that economic discrimination impacts people of color more than anybody else.
Real talk . . .
TKC IS THE FIRST MEDIA OUTLET TO STAND UP FOR THE WORKING POOR AND PEOPLE WITH BAD CREDIT AGAINST P&L DISTRICT FINANCIAL PROFILING FOR ADMISSION INTO THEIR HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED PARTY PLACE!!!
that may put a different angle on 150 messages! Especially mine, which is why I talked less about race and much more about culture and bank account.
I talked about race because I talked about facts. They are uncomfortable facts that everybody wants to ignore, because to take them seriously means that we have to embrace the idea that we allowed a non-locally owned corporation to exclude local citizens from a publicly funded entertainment district..
ReplyDeleteNow you may want to split nails over the demographic groups that are being targeted by recent moves. Maybe Cordish is a reformed company that seeks to be sensitive to all class and race issues? But the contract they wrote was designed to give them a mini-Empire where they own the sidewalks and can turn anybody away for any reason. After getting $300,000,000 in Tax Dollars as well as getting the City to use eminent domain to kick all the local businesses and property owners out, I think it only fair that *everybody in Kansas City* should identify with that district - we should all take pride in it and feel at home down there. Or at least welcome there.
But it is not like that, at all. IT is, in fact, like the majority of Kansas City residents have been tax-raped for the benefit of a (primarily white) economic elite.
Dang man, them's the facts, dog. That is just how it is. Now we can do something to change that or we can whimper and feel paoned. I choose to call shenanigans on Cordish Group.
Its not cordish's fault that brown people tend to be light on cheddar. They don't want trailer trash white people in there either.
ReplyDeleteThey have their demographic. If you want it, lik you want to buy a car at Superior, go get some cheddar and a Penner suit. They'll let you in.
UNtil then, hang out at a public park or in your living room snorting cocaine. Cordish is in it for the money and if you don't have any, they have no use for you.
They're not alone. ALL businesses do that. Your problem seems to be that you want some of what cordish offers without giving up any fundage.
Screw you. (if you get my point)
Cordish is in it for the public welfare. They are more poor than any of the people they exclude!
ReplyDeleteCordish is the only welfare recipient I can see from my vantage point.
If they were such a great company they would not be milking the General Fund to the tune of *at least* $11,000,000 per year.
They suck as a company, they have railroaded the citizens of this city, and to defend them is to defend fraud, racism and classism.
Period.
Well I don't know that much about Cordish but I would think they were in it for profits. And if you can get gumment fundage, why wouldn't you?
ReplyDeleteI begin to grow tired of this debate.
J.W.--Wow you managed to get $11,000,000 and $300,000,000 into almost every post. We get it.
ReplyDeleteJ.W., meet dead horse. Dead horse, meet J.W.
And if you will also note, I am the only person (aside from yourself) who stated the amounts of the subsidies.
ReplyDeleteSo I don't think the horse is dead; I think the rider is blind, deaf and dumb.