Monday, August 10, 2020

Kansas City Star Reviews Old School Traditions For Boy Scouts

It's actually surprising how many people this newspaper note DIDN'T anger as this town is starting to politely ignore the paper of record . . . Anyhoo, here's dead-tree media attempting to shock a dwindling number of subscribers with their take on a story that's nearly a century old . . . Read more:

'It's sickening': How KC-area Boy Scouts' Mic-O-Say program demeans Native Americans

Professional sports teams and other organizations are finally making long overdue changes to offensive traditions appropriating Native American culture. But the Boy Scouts of America appear to be clinging to outdated programs that many Native Americans consider degrading and racist, including the Tribe of Mic-O-Say, a leadership program for young men and women.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Star thinks the Boy Scouts and the Catholic church are the two biggest problems in society today. If only there were more pressing issues...

Anonymous said...

I have found memories of Indian Guides when I was young boy. My mom sewed us Indian outfits. Had Indian names. Passed around a talking stick in meetings. We did crafts. We camped out. It was fun and a good family activity. Now, we are supposed to think of ourselves as villains because we appropriate some native American stuff. Sorry. There was no ill will in anything we did.

Charles Whitman said...

I was a scout from bobcĂ t thru eagle with a palm. Sure, it was Omaha but I don't recall anyone ever imitating American Indians.
Ever.

Anonymous said...

I thought it was respectful to a culture closer to nature. As I have been reminded by youth, intent doesn't count for much anymore. Those concerned about being appropriated may end up erasing themselves from history.

Anonymous said...


ow shit...now Indians are hopping aboard the Democrat P C police scam train.The Boy Scouts were CELEBRATIND Indians..not "demeaning" -such bullshit!

Anonymous said...


Mic O Say actually honored the traditions of Native Americans and the ceremonies were held in reverence.

The journalists of the Star are true racists as they look for race issues in everything they do. Always judging others by their own racist standards.

Anonymous said...

By the "Star Editorial Board", presenting the opinion of one offended person. I wouldn't have had any exposure to Native American Ways, if not for my woke BSA leaders dragging me to these seminars, only to have the Board of wokeness call them racist cultural appropriators. It'd make sense, if this bullshit actually sold papers. Death by a thousand "cuts" to the Editorial Board. Idiots.

Anonymous said...

The opinion is probably from someone who didn't stay in scouts long enough to learn anything, just left after the diddling and didn't come back.

Anonymous said...

As a former Scout and Adult Leader with partial Native American ancestry, I was not at all offended but more amused by Mic-O-Say, with its hodge-podge jumble of mixed Tribal cultures and its extreme reliance on the "Hollywood Tribe of Injuns" for its customs and ceremonies.

It was pretty obvious that H. Roe Bartle et al. saw lots of movies and actually met few of "The People", despite the mythology the "Tribe" has created to try to preserve their existence in contravention to the BSA Rules banning such Organizations other than the Order Of The Arrow.

Of course nobody running the BSA or writing for the Star was ever noted for a sense of humor.

Anonymous said...

So if I read that correctly we have 2 women one from Lawerence and one from Arkansas complaining about the tribe of Mic-o-say. This that right? I am a member and as a youth loved it. Were the traditions mixed up...yep, but it brought it to light and made me want to learn more about the Indian traditions.
Biggest question is have either of them been to anything or just bitching because this is the time we live in???

Anonymous said...

What a nothingburger. It's just the Star trying to be relevant in its waning days. Every day a different made up scandal.

Anonymous said...

Mic O Say does NOTHING but honor the native Americans. Thousands of young men learned about customs and traditions of the native Americans that they would have never heard of otherwise. Once again The Star is trying to kill off anybody who might ever support them.

Anonymous said...

what tribe does Micosay work with and have the blessing of? or is it convenient to say the program is "honorable" without actually consulting a tribe for their blessing to use their heritages (clearly a mish-mash... when did the Shoshone or Northern Arapaho have Sachems?) ... native ceremonies are prayer... what would we all think of a native american group with a Scout troop that appropriated names like Priests and Deacons, but didn't do it out of religious reverence, but out of self interest? This is coming from someone who grew up in the program and only recently came to understand why this could be construed as offensive... in 1925, when this organization was founded, most real tribes were prohibited, and sometimes murdered, for having their religious ceremonies and dances... yes this was real and hit home with me recently after discussing this with my wife, about her family in Ohio that was impacted in this way... further reading here: http://nativeappropriations.com/2014/06/who-has-spoken-out-against-the-redskns.html and https://www.warpaths2peacepipes.com/native-american-culture/medicine-man.htm