Thursday, May 30, 2019

KANSAS CITY MLK BLVD NAME GAME ONE WEEK AWAY: SHOULD COUNCIL PUT 'SAVE THE PASEO' PETITION ON THE BALLOT?!?!



Apropos for #TBT we talk Kansas City history . . .

Credit for Northeast News that has a great summation of the story:

“Save The Paseo” Petition to be placed before City Council Thursday

The basics:

The Paseo was renamed earlier this year by way of a rush ordinance supported by members of the local clergy who advocated nearly a year for the tribute to civil rights icon Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Almost immediately, petitioners launched a challenge in order to keep the name which dates back to the founding of KCMO's Blvd. system.

The signs have been completely replaced and only Kansas City news media struggle with the moniker of the beloved stretch of road.

Even better . . .

The decision now has implications on the Kansas City Mayoral race.



Quinton Lucas championed the name change and worked diligently to push the legislation to its "victorious" conclusion.

Meanwhile, Jolie Justus initially voted in support of the MLK name change but then last week FLIP-FLOPPED and supported the "Save The Paseo" petitioners in the Finance & Governance committee and voted to move their effort before the full council.

And so, here we are . . . 



The debate is now only a week away.

And more importantly . . .

DO YOU THINK COUNCIL SHOULD PUT THE "SAVE THE PASEO" PETITION ON THE BALLOT!!!

Some denizens of the council say this isn't a big deal and the petition signatures necessitate placement on the ballot.

For others, the issues are a bit more complicated.

There's ongoing criticism of the effort and continued behind the scenes moves to undermine the petition in order to prevent a timely vote or punt the issue overall.

More importantly, we want to put this question to our blog community and save some of the best answers for future reference when this debate REALLY ramps up next week.

Developing . . .

44 comments:

Anonymous said...

YES!

Absolutely put this petition on the ballot. KC deserves to have a vote on this. As TKC mentioned earlier, the members of the clergy promised a vote but it was the save the Paseo petitioners who did the work to make it happen.

Anonymous said...

^^^ +100

Check the charter said...

Wrong.

Illegal petition. Should not be considered. Must be first referred to the Parks Board.

Super Dave said...

Yes let the people decide as a whole and not the special interest groups.

Anonymous said...

^^You don't get to decide. You don't live here, so keep your nose out of it!

Byron Funkhouser said...

^^This is either a free speech zone, or it's not.

Super Dave said...

12:05 I have vested interests you know nothing about because you don't know me and if you did know me you wouldn't make such an asinine comment.

Anonymous said...

Do you live here 12:05 and can prove such?

Unknown said...

The Paseo name is part of KC heritage and should not be discarded.

Anonymous said...

These folks who support MLK are the same folks who support #MeToo and pulling down statues. Now we know that MLK is a rape supporter and has more mistresses than Magic Johnson and Wilt Chamberlain combined, how is this going forward?

Anonymous said...

The fat fake revs did this, they live to divide the blacks from the whites, it’s how they make money, the problem is worsened when black clowncil members feed into it with paybacks of money and favors. Hence the mlk signs. It would be different if anything they did helped to decrease the black hatred of whites but that’s not the end game, the end game is power over the whites.

Anonymous said...

Byron, TKC has never been a free speech zone. Tony regularly deletes posts that he doesn't agree with. Wake up dope. This shitty blog is no better than the Star.

Anonymous said...

^^^ you’re still here dummy, so much for that bullshit line.

Anonymous said...

Yes it’s better because it’s free

Anonymous said...

@11:45 YOU check the Charter!

It was illegal for the Council to change the name in the first place!

I agree that there should be no vote, what there should be is immediate reversion to the LEGAL NAME of the Paseo, and immediate resignations by all Councilpersons who voted for this illegal action!

Anonymous said...

Are you sure? These comments seem like no moderation ever.


By the way I think the paseo should have stayed the same but now that it kind of happened already I don't know what's the best path. Marcus Garvey Parkway???
This is to 12:55 comment.
-radish

Anonymous said...

Why The Paseo? Do these guys really have a death wish? It will be just another MLK ghetto street that people will know to STAY AWAY FROM! Why not use some common sense and name an east/west street that includes a number of neighborhoods. I like the idea of J.C. Nichols Pkway being renamed. He was a racist who was responsible for segregation and red lining. 63rd is another option. It includes the east side and Brookside and Waldo. We could finally get street named after MLK that isn't just a big wet kiss to minority politicians and that means something. OH WAIT! This is Kansas City! We can't possibly make a measured, rational decision.

Anonymous said...

Martin Luther Negro Blvd

Anonymous said...

Not for retards like you.

Anonymous said...

Keep Paseo. Yearly naming rights cost hundreds of thousands of Kansas City taxpayers' dollars, paid to the MLK Family, who receive a ton of money each year from more relevant places actually connected with Dr. King.

Anonymous said...

^^^ for which the taxpayers have no idea how much it costs us, this is a crime in of it self.

Anonymous said...

Jolie needs to make the mayoral election a referendum on the Paseo name change. She'll win easily. It's one issue that honestly would get people out to vote on a mayoral election

Phil Cardarella said...

Okay let's start with legality of the Council's actions. The Counsel ordinance was perfectly legal because the Counsel has the power – as part of the MLK ordinance – to override any existing ordinance requiring the signatures of residents to rename a street.

It is important to understand that we are talking about a "street with no name". The term "Paseo" is merely the Spanish word for the French word "Boulevard". Unlike Ward Parkway or Gladstone Boulevard, the Paseo was named after no one – although it was designed after the Paseo de la Reforma in Mexico City. (The Park Board had the option of renaming the street "The Paseo of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr." – which would have let anyone living there use the Paseo name -- but were too arrogant and obstinate even to give the matter a hearing.)

Now, not everyone who objects to the new name is a racist – but not everyone who comes to Arrowhead is a Chiefs fan. The Council may be required to put this matter on the ballot – which is why it is wrong to give Justus credit or blame for her committee vote. But if you really care about the city of Kansas City you should ask yourself this question: How will it look across the nation and across the world if Kansas City Missouri were to be the first city ever to hold an election to attempt to remove Dr. King's name from a place of honor? We spend millions to lure tourists and businesses to KC. What convention will then want to come to Kansas City? The KKK?

Anonymous said...

^^^^^^It will send a message is what you idiot

Anonymous said...

Ha! ^^ There's a bigly triggered buttboi raising his limp wrist, palm side out to make the "stop" gesture, with his other hand on his hip, while furiously swishing around in his JoCo apartment, wearing only his "ring". Yeah, the one down there.

NicK said...

yes this isnt a debate

Anonymous said...

But Phil what about what the critics have said that the re-name ordinance went against the charter, by not involving the adjacent property owners ... An ordinance can't violate the charter can it? Not challenging you just want to hear your opinion. Thanks,
Radish

P.s. you're right about doubling back on the name now would be bad optics. But since it's all just flimsy symbolism anyway and zero substance maybe it wouldn't make any damn difference what we call paseo

KansasCityGypsy said...

They have no choice. It's going on the ballot.

Anonymous said...

How is the royalties being paid to the King family now for the school and park with his name ? How much more for the street. Tax money is paying these royalties the amount should be public record.

More
Liberal
Kash

Anonymous said...

"What convention will then want to come to Kansas City?" If the city's main goal is to attract convention money at the cost of its self respect, why not offer as an inducement to large conventions a temporary street name change to that of the organization? We've already established that the opinions of the people who will live along International Production & Processing Expo Boulevard don't matter; only the Benjamins matter, and oh yeah, whatever portion of the African American vote the reverends control.

ComradeOdon said...

Place the issue on the ballot and let the people decide. KCMO has never revealed how many tax dollars are wasted by having Paseo renamed to MLK.
These tax payer dollars would be better spent on repairing failing infrastructure. KCMO already has a park named after MLK and it is in ruins because KCMO refuses to maintain it apparently because it does not have a failing fountain it it.

Midlifer
Lucas
Karma

Unknown said...

The "we can't take the MLK name away" is a red herring. Just rename another street like 63rd. The Paseo should remain.

Byron Funkhouser said...

I can tell you Phil, it would look bad.

People will already be boycotting Missouri because of it's abortion ban.

Kansas City will be passed over, for future consideration by the conventions, if you look racist, & changing the name back would look racist.

What's done is done. You have no choice but to go forward from where you are, now.


Rammin' and riggin' to pick taxpayers' pockets.....yep, that's KC Nice!!! said...

WTF, Phil? So, OAK is just the name of a tree? And, WALNUT is just a wood for Ozark hillbillies to make bowls out of, right? Yeah, CHERRY is flavoring added to cola drinks, huh? It's not Derron CHERRY that CHERRY got named for, or, is it, Phil? Those sure aren't streets named for ANYONE!!! Who the hell is the CENTRAL family or person that CENTRAL street is named for? Who is INDEPENDENCE Avenue supposed to be named for? How about SUMMIT? And, how about MAIN? Gawd, did you actually think how it will look across this cowtown, this nation, and this world before YOU posted that?

Paseo IS the name of that street!!!

Wait! Oh, yeah. The mensa movers and shakers worry what image a street renaming dispute projects that they fear would threaten potential revenues. Never mind the city's top 5 national rank for murder momentum, and tipping toward bankruptcy due to a national rank within 10th most debt-burdened city.

Anonymous said...

I want a comparison of cities that get conventions because of a mlk named street vs the ones that don’t, fifty bucks says the ones without a street named mlk get more, why? Because everybody knows that cities wilt mlk named streets have astronomical murder rates and who wants to bring a convention to any city with high murder rates. It’s a liability and dangerous for any company to bring their employees to cities like ours.

Anonymous said...

what do you care bLIEron, you don’t live here so you get no input in any decision that involves killa shitty. YOUR OPINION IS WORTHLESS AS USUAL.

Anonymous said...

Who cares what anyone thinks? Nothing should be named after MLK other that a fat bird floating down Brush Creek.

Anonymous said...

Ra-douche

Anonymous said...

Fellatio Phil

Anonymous said...

Who cares if it’s racist? It was racist to change it in the first place.

Baptist, or Burning crosses......in #5 murder momentum Mudzoory......meh! said...

Oooooh, nooooo, it's so racist to change the Spanish named street to MLK when Chouteau, Guinotte, Lafayette, and the other French named streets aren't changed to some dead black guy's name. Since Killa Shitty is a Democrim-run cowtown, there should be a suitable street to honor Senator Robert Byrd. The KKK was founded by Democrims, and Byrd, a prominent Klan man for many years, is not any less connected to this cowtown than MLK.

Anonymous said...

A couple of questions for Mr. Cardarella,

1) What section of the KC Charter do you refer to as giving the Council the power to enact an Ordinance that overrides other provisions of the Charter?

I ask this because of your claim that part of what you refer to as the "MLK Ordinance" gives the Council the power "to override any existing ordinance requiring the signatures of residents to rename a street".

2) What connection would any such ordinance have to this matter, since there is not "any existing ordinance requiring the signatures of residents to rename a street" but instead the provisions of the City Charter itself. Surely you do not mean to contend that the Council has the power to enact an Ordinance that would override the Charter, that would be absurd!

3) Finally, do I assume correctly that your many references to the CounSEL are in fact meant to refer to the City CounCIL?

I would appreciate a response, thank you.

Anonymous said...

Byron thinks Phil is his "special" friend. They both are liberal flaming idiots. You really think KC will ever pull conventions like the FFA,etc ever again? Never happen. When the NFL/MLB plays in this SHITTY they pay the 1% tax and so does convention sales. Notwithstanding the Union wages for set up and tear down.




Anonymous said...

I remember when KCMO voters voted in a light rail, where the fuck is the light rail? (BTW a light rail and a street car that runs on rails are not the same) my point is a public vote in this city is just a show, the MLK signs will stay and the votes to change it will be cooked, just like the fire service cardiac arrest saves and response times are, as well as how many 991 calls are answered and not put on hold. KCMO voters are the butt of the joke in Missouri!!