Tuesday, July 22, 2014

TKC EXCLUSIVE!!! COUNCIL DUDE SCOTT WAGNER AND STEVE GLORIOSO MAKE NORTHEAST KANSAS CITY NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP TOY TRAIN STREETCAR PITCH!!!



The effort to convince Kansas City voters to vote for TDD expansion is now taking a full court press going door-to-door and throughout local neighborhoods.

And so . . .

TONIGHT LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT HOW KICK-ASS TKC TIPSTER REVIEWING THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOY TRAIN STREETCAR PHASE DEUX PITCH!!!

Moreover . . .

A FEW MORE INSIGHTFUL READERS HAVE TAKEN ISSUE WITH COUNCIL DUDE WAGNER PLAYING TOY TRAIN PITCH MAN BUT THAT'S LIFE KANSAS POLITICS NOWADAYS!!!

Here's the testimony that not only includes some great info about STREETCAR FINANCES but also questions FUTURE COSTS that a great many voters are forgetting.



Overall, this is a critical but fair analysis and a look at how THOUGHTFUL KANSAS CITY VOTERS are being presented the issue in their neighborhoods . . .

Councilman Wager In Indian Mound

Last night, Indian Mound Neighborhood Association heard from both Connect KC and SMART KC. Councilman Scott Wagner, former Indian Mound president, was representing Connect KC, accompanied by Steve Glorioso. They were aware that streetcar is unpopular over here, so Wagner volunteered to give the presentation because he knows a lot of us personally. It was a smart move, but I was disappointed with his presentation because he misstated a lot of facts, and Steve Glorioso had to correct him more than once. I'm not sure if he was being intentionally deceitful or if he was just mistaken, but he never acted unsure of anything he said. There's no harm in admitting you don't know the answer to something, or ever deferring to Steve Glorioso, but he answered every question with confidence, even in cases where I knew he was wrong.

At one point he went out of his way to confuse the issue I brought up regarding the unfairness of the residents living inside the current TDD getting another vote despite facing no tax increase. At first, he claimed that they would not vote on August 5, but Steve jumped in and pointed out that in fact, they were eligible; so Councilman Wagner's follow up was to focus on the fact that the August 5 ballot was only to expand the TDD, claiming that they would not be voting to raise other people's taxes. Of course I could see through it; downtown residents have been bragging on Twitter for weeks that they have nothing to lose by voting YES on August 5, but I'm not sure everyone in the room was following this logic because he intentionally confused the issue by ignoring the fact that if the TDD is expanded with the help of people living the the current TDD, they're basically getting to vote twice without any additional tax burden.

I also asked Councilman Wagner if the money collected by the expanded TDD will pay for utility relocation, and he said that it does, which was news to me. 

I haven't been able to confirm that as ENTIRELY false yet, but it doesn't add up. First of all, the water bonds we passed in April are already earmarked to be spent on sewer relocation along the FUTURE streetcar lines. Secondly, we know that the original TDD did not include utility relocation in their $102M price tag, and if you consider that even after the money collected by the TDD is matched by the Federal Government, there is still a $50M shortfall of the entire cost of the project, then it is evident that KC taxpayers outside of the TDD will no doubt be responsible for SOME PART of this streetcar bill in the form of a cut in city services (bus service, public safety, infrastructure repair, etc) so again, the councilman was not being up front with us.

After Connect KC and SMART KC had both given their presentations, I'm not sure if any of the Indian Mound residents had changed their positions regarding streetcar, but I definitely noticed the handful of residents that support the streetcar make some unpleasant faces when they learned some of the unfair costs and burdens that the streetcar will create. I believe people who like the idea of the streetcar will justify ANY cost because to them, simply having a rail system will create the appearance of a public improvement whether or not it has a negative impact on the city's budget. The fact that PIAC funds were being used to study streetcar was particularly unpopular. We have to fight tooth and nail for every dollar of improvements for our neighborhood, and for a large portion of that money to be earmarked before we even get to present our LONG list of infrastructure repairs for the next two or more years is a bitter pill for us to swallow.
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45 Comments:

Anonymous said...

Maybe a good reason to think about moving to perfect village. A quick 10 minute drive and all of KC's amenities are close by!

Anonymous said...

Did Glorioso use his these anti streetcar people want to steal away your constitutional right to vote! pitch?

Hyperblogal said...

Kind of odd when folks promoting something don't know what they're promoting. I would guestimate that 80% of the people in the TDD won't be logistically able to use the dang streetcar... I would have to walk 1-2 miles to catch it... or, to drive there and park. And who is going to ride the streetcar in NE if they have to sit between a wino and a hooker.

Anonymous said...

"LONG list of infrastructure repairs for the next two or more years"

Sorry the toy train extensions and spiffing downtown up for millennial implants from Nebraskaokwisconee is priority.

You repairs will have to wait 30 years.

Anonymous said...

Can I get my property tax reduced to $500 a year on a $250,000 home like the toy train supporters and pimps downtown?

Can I get a special assessment of $81 a year like the Polsinelli's Plaza Vista?

Who do I buy off?

Anonymous said...

Did anyone show the map of the proposed Transportation Development District (TDD) map, which shows graphically how much this discriminates AGAINST people living in Northeast. Why are those neighborhoods, along with neighborhoods in the inner city and west side singled out for the tax increases? Why won't people who live north, or south of the plaza and beyond pay the tax increases? TDD stands for Tax Discrimination District, pure and simple.

Anonymous said...

Anyone ask if Russ Mensa is able to make the interest payments on the $10 million loan they took out to pay Burns and Mack and HDR? Where did the remaining $2 Million vanish?

Is it any wonder they are trying to railroad this scam over the public?

Anonymous said...

World Class boondoggle

Anonymous said...

they've reduced the district down to who they think they can fool. this is a disgrace!

Anonymous said...

Even the pretense of this fiasco having anything to do with transportation or development was lost a long time ago. And the desperate attempts to cover up the total lack of serious financial information or planning has been obvious for months.
It's simply become a "we win, you lose" fight and if "they win", KCMO loses big time,with $10-15 million/year bond payments as far as the eye can see, and the ever-expanding gaggle of companies and individuals making big bucks at the public laughing all the way to the bank.
It's sad to see folks like Wagner sell whatever principles he might have brought and take advantage of the very people who he claims to represent.
In KCMO an honest politician is one who stays bought and it becomes so much easier when they've already decided to compromise whatever integrity they had and are just haggling about the price.

Anonymous said...

Wagner just wants to suck up to the mayor, no matter what the cost is to tax payers. That's the problem at city hall, other than a few on the council, most want to 'get along-go along' for a handout. Truly a shame.

Anonymous said...

The Spoils System is alive and well in CK.

Anonymous said...

Nigger lovers all of them. Maybe they love wetback spics too.

Anonymous said...

Wagner has always been a liar he had guts showing up there after he dumped them and moved.

Anonymous said...

Wagner is Slys bitch

Anonymous said...

If there's one place in KC that knows how to maintain a good neighborhood and make smart decisions about the future, its Indian Mound. That's the kind of place everyone wants to live. Its not like it lost 15% of its population in the last 10 years.

Way to maintain the trajectory, simpletons. Let's hope nothing every changes (for the better) in Northeast. Sure wouldn't want good transit and better development. Fuck that hipster shit. What'd be next, occupied structures? Go get em Bushnell and Brybry. Stop Northeast from becoming the kind of urban neighborhood people don't flee.

Anonymous said...

Yah we got a ton of developers waiting in line from across the country wanting to densify Indian Mound with market rate apartments, condo's! Make your life there better! Turn it into a vibrant walkable urban setting! They need to have a streetcar though so this deal is a winner for all you folks! Property values will go up too!

Anonymous said...

Is Wagner ever going to do anything for the Northland district he is supposed to represent? Probably not; as an at-large candidate, he figures he has to focus elsewhere and assumes we're going to vote for him anyway, so he doesn't have to worry about representing our interests.

But he just might be wrong.

Anonymous said...

Streetcars made sense when they were invented a hundred or so years ago, but today they are just a waste of money. One reason why planners look to the past for solutions is that they can’t accurately foresee the future. So they pretend that, by building ancient modes of transportation, they will have the same effects on cities that they had when they were first introduced.

If we really want to transport people in charming vehicles, we could buy hundreds of brand-new rubber-wheeled trolley cars for a tiny fraction of the cost of laying rail.

Anonymous said...

Problem is every penny of it is taxpayer dollars, every penny. Not a dime from the private sector, not a dime. The first thing is you need jobs that pay more than Taco Bell. No more tax payer project for the man. Vote no

Anonymous said...

Wagner ALWAYS talks incessantly, with great confidence, and NEVER, EVER knows what in the "H" he is talking about.

He moved north -- let them put up with him.

Anonymous said...

Sniveling about the street car.

Deja vu.

Groundhogs day.

Same crap, different day.

NEXT.

Anonymous said...

Glorioso? Read this and you decide:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-01-25/news/9801250239_1_deposition-steve-glorioso-abortion

Anonymous said...

Gloriasshole. I want the the day..

Anonymous said...

I do not want Niggers riding trains to my neighborhood! Stop this shit NOW!

Anonymous said...

No!

Anonymous said...

The Missouri law on TDD's does not allow TDD's to be "stacked" therefore as the downtown TDD already exists so another can be added to it.

Anonymous said...

Queers, Spicks and Niggers all want to ride trains. Fuck them. Fuck them hard. Tell them to get real jobs and buy a car. They are ruining this country.

Anonymous said...

The Glorioso Emails: Portrait of a City Hall Troublemaker

http://www.kcdowntowner.com/2010/02/glorioso-emails-portrait-of-city-hall.html

Chief Big-in-the-Pants (formerly Chief Wahoo) said...

Indian Mound?

The streetcar is just one more injustice on top of the whole genocide thing.

Anonymous said...

Glorioso is a cockroach -- he will survive forever.
Wagner will do good to get reelected with no opposition. The stench of his association with Glorioso will never go away.

Anonymous said...

Yeah. Folks and their friends in the Northeast will LOVE spending HOURS on the streetcar just to ride it into midtown.
And what fun going back at night!

Anonymous said...

"I'm not sure if he was being intentionally deceitful or if he was just mistaken, but he never acted unsure of anything he said."

Obviously Wagner has gone to the Mensa boy school of public relations.

Anonymous said...

Just because one soon-to-be otherwise unemployable termed out council person who's not even from here needs a job is not a reason to bankrupt this city.

Vote no.

Anonymous said...

The Tax Discrimination District is a scandal.

Anonymous said...

TDD = slavery

Streetcars = gas chambers

Council = ku klux klan

We must stop them from enslaving all minorities by providing KC with better transit built mostly on the east side where transit use is highest.

This is just another apartheid.

Bryan stadler = Nelson Mandela

Mike bushnell = Martin Luther king

Sherry Dejanes = Harriet Tubman

Dan coffee = Frederick Douglass

Patrick Touhey = Malcolm x

Smartkc = Africa. National congress

Save the trolley trail = southern Christian leadership council

Anonymous said...

7:12 you are a card carry fucking moron.

Anonymous said...

Wagner has done nothing but lie, he is uninformed, does what moves him in the moment and if it pays off he is out front with a puffed up chest, saying "Oh pashaw, it was nothing at all" if not, he lies about it. ask him about selling US citizenship in China on a program that has failed in every state that has used it, ask him about his "junkets" to China to peddle the program to these people, ask him how many of his "friends" travel with him on the tax payers dime. He has it in his head he is some sort of Hilary Clinton acting on the world stage, he has a HUGE ego and forgets he is only a "city councilor" in a city that is quickly becoming a ghost town. If he is voted back in then shame the fuck on each and every one of you, I have a likeable friend too he just happens to be mildly retarded so I wouldnt vote for him, dont make the same mistake.

Anonymous said...

When the residents of a city elect people who can be easily stampeded into spending hundreds of millions of dollars by a little gang of urban futurists, millenials, and self-serving individuals and companies and then have to hire the likes of Glorioso, Rowe, O'Neill, Gray, Parson, and all the rest to try to trick the public into paying for such a ridiciulous scam, it shouldn't be much of a surprise that the rest of the residents and elected officials in the region, which is to say the vast majority, want nothing to do with KCMO.
With all the critical issues that a city government should address, but doesn't, it's sad to watch KCMO caught up in such a silly fad as a streetcar.
Good-bye any hope of regional collaboration or economic cooperation.
At the end of the day, building a taxpayer-subsidized amusement park for 20-somethings, tourists, and conventioneers is a very expensive and disastrous loser.

Anonymous said...

Damn, the relentless bitching on this blog has pushed my light rail position from opposed to indifferent.

Buck of girlie men who don't have the testicles to do anything more productive than stalk this site, and wax hatred.

Convert that energy into getting your ass down to U-Haul and execute a move.

By the way, my IQ is less than Mensa boy's and I have more hair than Glorioso.

Anonymous said...

And by Northeast they and John Joseph Rizzo mean just the part where white people and Italians live. Lord knows they never associate with brown people. Last stop Moretina's Caddy Shack! Name sound familiar?

Anonymous said...

Bryan Stalder reminds me of Sly James, except not so fat.

Mr. Snickers said...

We desperately need a streetcar on Independence Avenue. I am old, but I know my grandchildren will have a better life if only we can get this passed. Please, please pass it for the children!

Mr. Snickers said...

We desperately need a streetcar on Independence Avenue. I am old, but I know my grandchildren will have a better life if only we can get this passed. Please, please pass it for the children!

Anonymous said...

I think all the people with any sense have moved to Johnson County.