Sunday, March 30, 2014

SHOCK!!! KANSAS CITY RAGE: WATER BOND CASH WILL FUND TOY TRAIN STREETCAR!!!



Here's an important notice from a local voters group that points a fact burried in local media coverage.

TKC EXCLUSIVE: ANTI-TAX OPPOSITION RAGES AFTER REPORT THAT CITY HALL PLANS TO USE WATER BOND MONEY TO FUND THE TOY TRAIN STREETCAR!!! THIS TALKING POINT JEOPARDIZES UPCOMING QUESTION 1!!!

Moreover . . .

THE SAME CREW THE TURNED THE TOY TRAIN STREETCAR AWAY FROM BROOKSIDE/WALDO NOW SETS THEIR SIGHT ON OPPOSITION TO THE CORRUPT WATER BOND ASK!!!

Here's an important note circulating far and wide among the last set of active voters . . .

Caveman Kansas City Water Concern

And around and around we go. I hate to think how many BILLION$ of dollars this Streetcar is going to cost the Voters . . . We need to contact our councilpersons and tell them NO! Use our money to lower water rates and fix the lines, not build an unnecessary Streetcar..

"On Thursday, City Engineer Ralph Davis and Sherri McIntyre, director of the Public Works Department, said the city hasn't finished negotiating its guaranteed maximum price with the joint venture {whoa, that’s scary}. Jansen said Herzog/Witbeck expects to get its notice to proceed within a few weeks. She said a formal groundbreaking ceremony probably will be around the same time.

"Jansen said the council is considering an ordinance that would direct $23.7 million from the Water Services Department's water bond and sanitary sewer revenue bond funds to the downtown streetcar fund. "

Jansen said that money will pay for water and sewer work the joint venture will perform. The measure is expected to pass in the coming weeks.”

This statement pretty much solidifies the fact THAT THE STREETCAR TRIPLE TAX IS NOW THE STREETCAR QUADRUPLE TAX!!

Citizens for Responsible Government
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108 Comments:

Anonymous said...

Better title: It's time to tell Sly no.

A friend said...

Tony, what is you fixation on taxes you cheap assed son of a bitch?

You complain that "your" Kansas City is a "cow town" but you are not willing to pay for any improvements.

That is just stupid.

No, wonder you will not post explaining that position.

And, no wonder your comment section has slowly filled up with like-minded morons, which over represents the bigot class.

Before you went off on this anti-tax kick, you blog offered the best rundown on local politics available.

Not anymore. You have slipped into ape-shit-crazy status.

chuck said...

7:26

Yeah, sure, why would we want City Hall to be held accountable for taxing the city into the dust?

Politicians and developers ALWAYS have the best interest of the man on the street. Who needs more cops anyway? Screw those potholes, I bet if we try hard, we can get Floyd Mayweather to come to town and fix them.

Besides, if there is ONE thing we all know, and I mean know for sure, we can all take it to the bank, it is, that our Water Department is beyond reproach and spends every cent in an effort to serve our citizens.

In fact, all of our city's various and sundry departments should be untouchable and uncommented on by blogging Hoi Polloi.

Our Toff Kleptocratic, Autocratic leaders should be left alone by we mere peasants.

ALL ABOARD!!!

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/04/oregon_streetcars_money_flows.html said...

Are we buying our streetcars from these guys?

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/04/oregon_streetcars_money_flows.html

P Bear said...

Damn Chuck, can you introduce me to your ghost writer...fuck.

chuck said...

You mean the Ghost Face Killer??

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2010582835_streetcarcosts24m.html said...

Hey, is the streetcar doing well in Seattle?

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2010582835_streetcarcosts24m.html

Fuck no.

http://www2.cincinnati.com/blogs/arts/2013/04/30/city-manager-proposal-for-streetcar-cost-overruns-use-music-hall-funds/ said...

In Cincy, they use Music Hall funds to finance the street car.

http://www2.cincinnati.com/blogs/arts/2013/04/30/city-manager-proposal-for-streetcar-cost-overruns-use-music-hall-funds/

http://www.arlnow.com/2013/04/24/county-optimistic-about-federal-funds-for-streetcar-despite-cost-concerns/ said...

In Arlington, they are hoping for more Fed money to pay for the overruns.

•Walking is often faster than riding streetcar in Portland (The Oregonian)
•Portland streetcar fare revenue nearly 50 percent below projections (The Oregonian)
•Tampa streetcars could require city subsidy (Tampa Tribune)
•Cincinnati streetcar facing $26 million cost overrun (Cincinnati Herald)
•Tucson streetcar operating costs 4 times initial estimate (Arizona Daily Star)

“I have not made up the articles, I have not made up the facts,” Garvey said. “These facts are facts. They’re inconvenient, but true.”



Other articles not in the presentation but recently published include:
•Oregon streetcars miss deadlines, run over budget (The Oregonian)
•Cyclist seeks $3 million in damages for crash caused by Tucson streetcar tracks

chuck said...

In Cincy

Sunday, July 14, 2013
Mystery surrounds latest streetcar cost overrun

A curious announcement
A curiously-worded announcement came from City Hall in a Friday document dump designed to lessen the negative impact of the latest cost overrun of the Cincinnati Streetcar:

[The successful bidder] MPD has requested additional funding in the amount of $492,933 related to increased costs for materials and labor resulting from this delay. This is covered in the current project budget.

Funding history
But note the history from February of this year, when the Streetcar bids were opened until today:

1) The bid from the winning bidder, Messer Construction, was $26 million over the estimates prepared by the City and originally approved for funding by the Council.
2) The City then "value engineered" the project, scaling back certain components of the Streetcar capital construction budget, to bring that cost overrun down.
3) The day before the City voted to give the project another $17.4 million in funding, the U.S. Department of Transportation announced an additional $5 million grant to the project, but (and this is important) some or all of the modifications arising from the "value engineering" had to be restored to the project. (The City has not said the cost of the overruns arising from the scope re-added to the project by the Feds, and they should.)
4) Council then voted to give the project $17.4 million more.
5) Yesterday, the latest $1/2 million cost overrun was announced.
The new money
So, understanding that Council approved $17.4 million more in funding, combined with the new $5 million grant, equals $22.4 million in new funding.

Reading between the lines
But understanding that the Feds eliminated some or all of the the "value engineering" and restored the cost overruns up to the full $26 million (the City has been anything but clear on this) and this week Messer Construction added another $492,933 to that cost overrun, it seems to us (in a vacuum of information from the City) that the over-budget amount is at this juncture is up to $26.5 million.

If that is so, then the new $22.4 million in funding ($17.4 million from the Council and $5 million from the Feds) is as much as $4.1 million short of the increased costs. We believe the City's oblique announcement that "this is covered in the current project budget" (referring to the additional $1/2 million cost) means that the entire remaining $4.1 million gap in funding is within the projects' planned "contingency" line item.

Conclusion
And if that is true, then the room for error within the project as it goes forward is reduced before the first inch of track is laid, and thus the likelihood of further cost overruns is dramatically increased. This means more holes in funding are more likely to need to be filled, whether that is another increase in taxes or cuts in other project.

And once again, the lazy Cincinnati media have failed to ask the hard questions of the City to get their arms around the Streetcar budget and the risk that taxpayers will bear the full brunt of this project mis-management.

[COAST projects the Streetcar will ultimately cost more than $180 million to build, perhaps as much as $225 million. Each announcement from the City comes closer to that number. Stay tuned, Cincinnati.]

chuck said...

Hey, this is a crazy idea, but what the heck-

How about we live within our budget and pay our bills?

How about we hire more cops to make the city safer and fix the streets.

How about we worry about declining tax revenues and skittish business owners who want to head off to the safer climes of JoCo?

How about we cut some fat, some payroll, some dead money used to pay off cronies and lawyers that we wouldn't need in the first place if we elected good stewards of the tax payer's cash?

How about we forget about vanity projects that are identified with individuals interested in self aggrandizement at the expense of goods and servies that otherwise would make this a more livable and safer city?

How about paying the bills and keeping your nose to the grindstone instead of in the air at a podium giving speeches?

Pay the bills, if we want friends, we will buy dogs. They would do a better job anyway.

Anonymous said...

Citizens for Responsible Government is not SMARTKC or the Brooskside Cave people whatever people want to call them.

Obviously a lot of different groups are on the same page on many things but still.




Anonymous said...

And they wonder why people don't want to live in KCMO or are moving to the burbs huh?

Anonymous said...

Interesting letter to the editor in today's Star. According to it 75% of Brooksiders opposed using the Trolley Trail for the streetcar.

As for 7:26's comments, is it REALLY unreasonable that voters being asked to pass bonds for water and sewers would expect those bonds to be used for water and sewers? After all, the justification for the bonds is a federal mandate that we update our systems. I was on the fence on these bonds because it would be a good idea to borrow money at today's interest rates, but I'm going to vote no because it doesn't make sense to borrow money at even zero interest rates if that money is immediately going to be misappropriated and wasted.

Who's watching the watchmen? said...

For concerned citizens to review.
http://m.bizjournals.com/kansascity/blog/2014/03/where-does-the-streetcar-go-from-here.html

Anonymous said...

They had better be careful how they write those bond covenants. If they are straight GOs they can steel ask they want for their pet projects. However if they payback is tied to water revenues...

Anonymous said...

Fire Dept. did the same thing. Begged for a new tax for new stations and equipment, then spent it on salaries.

Anonymous said...

Sly says it's all going to be alright! After all he's going to vote yes for it! So it must be great so I'm going to vote yes too!

After all our Mayor is one of the coolest hipsters in the country!

P Bear said...

This Toy Train, Water Bond shit is boring.....come on Tony.

Give us more Glazer. Let's run the hit count up tonight.

P Bear said...

..huck says "Pay the bills, if we want friends, we will buy dogs."

.huck your on a roll today. You go.

Anonymous said...

So how is the City going to pay for all the botched repairs piling up? Or all the botched new work that's screwed up and needs to be repaired or done over again?

Anonymous said...

And over the cliff they go...

Same 6 commenters, same 10 people on "smart"kc/"citizens" for responsible government/ save our whatever Facebook pg.

The claim that 75% of brooksiders oppose it support anything, with a cite from letter to the editor...hahaha, that's so dumb it's precious, like when a puppy runs into a glass door...

This place is an echo chamber of silliness, spite and stupidity.

ALL ABOARD...the crazy train. Next stop: illuminati mind control theories

Anonymous said...

Why would they need to move the water line if streetcars only need a 18" foundation? Maybe the Light Rail is going in instead,and that's why the cost have gone up so much.

Anonymous said...

I fail to see how this is an issue. It seems logical that sewer and water G.O. bonds would be used to pay for improvements to the sewer and water systems along the streetcar line.

Streetcar or not, you are going to have to do extensive work on Main St. anyway.

Anonymous said...

I'm going to trust what the Downtown Streetcar Supporters say. They are honest upstanding citizens with a real vision for an organic granular walk-able dense future! And Sly is into this too! Not only will he deliver unheard of fiscal prosperity for CK, tourists and talent will flock here from everywhere in the world! So vote yes for the bonds before it's to late!!

Anonymous said...

Whitney Kerr Sr. is going to vote for it too!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138954/posts said...

So, yeah.

Anonymous said...

What is free republic? Never heard of it.

Anonymous said...

"Same 6 commenters, same 10 people on "smart"kc/"citizens" for responsible government/ save our whatever Facebook pg."


9:14: Possibly, but you seem to be the same ONE "commenter" on the other side, and you don't seem too mature at that.

And my bad about the 75% of Brooksiders opposed to using the Trolley Trail for a streetcar. It was 80% of Armour Hills residents.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1032634/ said...

"These Jews have penetrated to every city, and it would not be easy to find a single place in the inhabited world which has not received this race, and where it has not become master."

Anonymous said...

You'll love it 9:41. Go there now. Your kind of people.

Anonymous said...

Stormfront? Oh please spare us whoever you are this is about water bills and runaway local government spending.

Anonymous said...

Bottom line is what does downtown offer besides special tax cut deals for people in the clique.

Not much other then sprint center and that money loser known as Power and Light district.

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:16, if that is the case, they didn't have to move the money as it would already be doing what was intended.

Anon 8:41, these are revenue bonds, not GOs. Therefore anything that that do outside the scope of the bonds' covenants would be open to the scrutiny of the court (if bond holders choose to sue).

Anonymous said...

We need a new airport, streetcars, we need to compete!!!!!!!!

Gawd what a pathetic mess.

Anonymous said...

Has Tiffany Moore handed in her resignation yet?

Anonymous said...

9:49 thank you for clearing up that these are revenue bonds not G.o. bonds. I was the second guy that mentioned GO bonds not 941 but thank you for clearing that up.

I still don't really see an issue here. Streetcar or no, in the next 20 years we have to tear up the whole sewer system essentially.

My concern is that so many of these tax-deferred lofts, tax-deferred corporate HQs and low revenue eastside housing don't exactly mean they have a lot of inputs. They have the 1% earnings tax but that means they get as much money from someone making 100k a year as someone who owns a $75,000 house.

Johnson, Johnson, and Staubio said...

Hello hello hello

Hello!

Stop your whining the Streetcar is the answer to all our problems!!!!

Anonymous said...

Jeebuz: This blog is defined by three teen boys masquerading as a polar bear, and another genius thinking he is funny with cum-rate postings and a third who thinks attributing everything to race baiting is somehow a hero?

Witness the downside of the right of free speech.

At least you are not doing anything remotely related to productive.

Anonymous said...

If I vote for this, will I make money and be able to move to the Golf Cart community of Oxford on the Blue? That's all I need to know.

Anonymous said...

Just move downtown 10:13 Let the rest the suckers in this city pay high property taxes. Come on down and check out a nice condo.

Anonymous said...

Cops would have left 25 yrs ago, but they force us to live in CK.

Anonymous said...

Your town is run by incompetents, grifters, gangsters and fuckwits.

The end is near. Move to JoCo while you still can.

chuck said...

I am not sure how Jews got into this mess, but, as usual, if you don't like the message, kill the messenger.

The Bear is an old man just like me.

I wish I was a teenager, but that was in the 60's.

Why is it crazy to want fiscal responsibility?

Anonymous said...

Kcmo is growing faster than joco, dumbass. Has been for a decade.

And speaking of "has been" maybe you joco has verbs should worry about your own tax drains like your convention center boondoggle, the TDDs for empty mall parking lots and the billions of dollar you piss away each year on highway interchanges with next to no traffic and zero economic benefit.

The entire streetcar and brt proposal would cost less to implement even f it does overrun (WHICH IT HASNT YET, dipshits, it's UNDER BUDGET) than 1 single worthless and unneeded joco highway interchange.

Thanks for playing kansas trolls, you lose, tho

Anonymous said...

Lulzerz epic fail @ "kill the messenger" speeches from the anti everythingers. Guess you thought we forgot your m.o.

"Renters"

"Libtards"

"Hipsters/coffee shop"

"Organic salad"

"Dave has funny glasses"

"Russ is rude to our interrupting bullies"

"Futurists"

"Loft dwellers"

"Black mayor"


Etc.

Anonymous said...

Where the hell is the State?

Anonymous said...

"POLAR BEAR" is such an appropriate name for a racist middle aged white male. Similar to the American white male...the North American polar bear is slowly going extinct and losing its habitat! Also, polar bears are known child molesters...another stark similarity to the American white male.

Anonymous said...

Unchecked letter from editor says "4-1" against streetcar of RESPONSES RECIEVED in Armour Hills.

That might be as few as four or as many as 800. But it's not 80% of brookside.

MORe LIES from the ANTIs...
Armour Hills is less than 5% of brookside.

Anonymous said...

Wonder how the question was phrased:

"Do you support a quintuple tax to steal the trolley track trail and endanger yor children?"

Check yes or no

Anonymous said...

Blah blah blah Streetcar is the future!!!! Blah blah blah blah blah blah!!!

Anonymous said...

The people who sent the unchecked letter were willing to sign their names and give the number of homes they surveyed. That's more than the alleged survey showing support for the streetcar in Brookside have been willing to share. And Armour Hills is right next to the streetcar route, so just maybe those folks might have a higher interest in the issue than, say, someone at 55th & Harrison.

Anonymous said...

Let's see how downtown does with their toy train first hows that sound? Maybe I can get a job at the new downtown Jimmy John's or that other new drive in joint being proposed for downtown. Streetcar can make a turn into the drive up windows.

Anonymous said...

So we got to be punished looking at that picture of Bow Tie Sly all day now?

Yuck

Anonymous said...

This is going to be a nasty mess.
It alway was for me when as a younger man I borrowed money that I couldn't repay for things I didn't need.

Anonymous said...

The streetcar fanatics and their lemming followers are nut cases.

In case you haven't noticed.

Anonymous said...

You all are worryin' about the Jewish vermin. Better you should fear the smiling black demon who is our Mayor. Surrounded by morons and parasites, he has run up more debt than all of the other Mayors combined. His "vision" which, by the way, he really never articulates, is a cover for the rush to fiscal armageddon that he has launched us on. Rather than turn on the oven at Auschwitz, better you should take up a collection for a raft, strap Mayor James on to the same, point him torwards Africa and hope he does as well as Thor Heyerdahl. If you are worried he might not make it back to the Horn of Africa, you could put Yael T Abouhalkah on the raft with him and convince Yael that if he gets "Sly" back to Africa safely, his job at the Star would be guaranteed for another 5 years.

Anonymous said...

Oh, glazer you silly fuckin butt plug.I fucked up.went to the WOODLANDS instead of WOODSIDE ..my bad. We were a little toasted.
anyway old dude ,me and my partner will meet you soon!
Btw,sorry u got kicked out of that gay club.don't hate the player, hate thr game, gramps ..see u soon weasel.

Anonymous said...

Our Mayor Sly James takes his ideas out of the Obama play book, then by force implements them and ultimately changes the rules as he see's fit. We have become a false democracy and worse, we have allowed it.

Anonymous said...

"A true modern streetcar renaissance in America"

This is the best these lame brains can come up with? Obsolete technology hooked up to overhead wires?

A renaissance in Idiocracy is more like it.

Anonymous said...

Just run the toy train through mission hills see how well that idea flies. Won't the tourists want to see all the stately homes?

Anonymous said...

And to think all that we need is to modernize and upgrade our bus system, make KC affordable again, have good schools, create real meaningful work, do things right, and appreciate all the things we have other city's don't.

Pretty sad.

Anonymous said...

Hobos and hookers 946

Anonymous said...

All the growth has been north of the river. South of the river is still losing people 1049

Anonymous said...

Well our benevolent local leadership still hasn't succeeded at making people love their servitude completely. Yet anyway.

Anonymous said...

Couldn't be their only real purpose is the maintenance of their own power and privileges could it?

Anonymous said...

The political corruption we see on a local level mirrors the corruption that his happening on a national scale in this country. What is it Deepthroat said? Follow the money.

Call them what you may, the One Percent, the Power Elite or the Super Rich, the fact is that they no longer have any use for ordinary people except as servants. The reason the period in the United States after World War II was a golden age up until the Oil Embargo of 1973, is that the Elite needed a happy work force as they created a global economic infrastructure late know as Globalism. With Globalism, the Elite had a cheap work force and no longer needed the American Middle Class. First the factory and blue collar workers were forced out of the Middle Class and now we are seeing the white collar, the technical and the office worker being forced out of the Middle Class until in America will be just a memory like all the other things that have vanished in America from the drive in movie to the factory.

Since the Elite no longer needs the American Middle Class, it is now sucking all the wealth out of the Middle Class. What do Elite want? They want a cheap and docile workforce that gives them unconditional love like a dog gives its master and the Elite see themselves as the masters. You cannot have a docile workforce or peasantry that is think or is educated; therefore, you dumb down the peasants by destroying the schools through crackpot educational theory and destructive pop culture. You cannot have a docile workforce or peasantry with strong family units; therefore you destroy the family by stressing it economically and by redefining it.

We no longer have elections in this country that matter. We have front men (or women, sorry Hillary) in both parties who represent their interest. The new trick of the Elite is to get a front man who is Black. This gives then the added argument of you don’t like front man’s politics because he is Black; therefore, you are a racist. We see this on the local level with Sly James and on the national level with Barack Obama. The Elite have doomed us. The destruction they have put in place is not just of our political systems, our cities and of the country but globally too, we are seeing the last days of Western Civilization as we enter a new Dark Age. Feudalism is making a comeback and this time will be global and high tech. Yes, this view is very pessimistic but I see nothing no optimistic scenarios.

Anonymous said...

Technological Feudalism

Become a member of middle class just like your parents did by selling socks on your own website!

Anonymous said...

1:29

There was also unprecedented growth downtown, highest in the metro in fact, as well as growth in Northeast. Midtown, Brookside and Waldo all remained stable.

Meanwhile...
Everything in JoCo north of 103rd is loosing population, too, much of it just as fact as KCMO south of the river.

Sorry to bust your bubble.

Suburbs in the city limits of KCMO are more desirable than JoCo suburbs. Have been for some time, at least a decade.

Anonymous said...

1:45 you are out of your mind if you think KCMO suburbs are more desirable. They have nothing to offer.

Anonymous said...

We don't want any cars in our city god damn it! Why can't you older people just accept it and be like us young and cool hipsters who know everything about life and are more successful then you! Cars limit your freedom! You got make payments, pay for gas, maintenance, and insurance! That's money that could be put into new phones, consoles, games, google glass, ipads, and other important technology we can't live without!!

Anonymous said...

The only people who live in the kcmo suburbs are city employees who are forced to live in the same shithole they work for. No other city in the metro does this to its employees. Even KCK lets them live in the county. What does that tell you about how awesome kcmo is? If its so great, why force it on people?

Anonymous said...

Yeah man and learn to code too! If you want car's you can just get the newest version of grand theft auto.

Anonymous said...

Lottery tickets, keno games coming soon to KCI Airport

That pretty much sums up the imagination of city leadership, when the hipsters aren't conning them into their bankrupt ideas.

Anonymous said...

I personally love it here in grandview.

Anonymous said...

Nearly three weeks after the American Public Transportation Association issued its deceptive press release about 2013 transit ridership, some reporters are still being fooled. Just two days ago, for example, NPR did a story claiming commuters are “ditching cars for transit in record numbers.”

Ironically, NPR begins its story in Chicago, where (APTA data reveals) 2013 transit ridership declined by 2.7 percent from the year before. “Throughout the entire country, just about every public transportation system saw hikes in ridership,” the story incorrectly claims. In addition to Chicago, transit systems in Albuquerque, Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore, Boston, Charlotte, Dallas, Kansas City, Louisville, Memphis, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Portland, San Antonio, and Washington DC all lost riders in 2013. Don’t NPR reporters check their facts?

Anonymous said...

The commentator who talks about all the population growth in KCMO should really at least try to do some actual analysis of some very basic facts.
First, sure there's a greater PERCENTAGE of growth in downtown because it started with such low numbers to begin with. If you're trying to run a successful business, try paying your nut with percentages instead of numbers of customers and cash. That's one of the reasons the P&L District costs the taxpayers $12-20 million every year.
Most of the population growth in KCMO is north of the river and most of that is good old cul de sac suburban living. In fact, just last year, KCMO issued $40 million in bonds to extend sewer and water services into corn field, which by their estimates, will support residential construction for an additional 70,000 residents. You might ask how these kinds of decisions will affect downtown when done by the same jurisdiction that is pouring hundreds of millions of tax money there.
The decrease in population in norhtern JoCo is caused by very stable neighborhoods in which people have raised families who have grown up and left those homes, but the parents, or in many cases the widows, still live there and have for decades. In KCMO south of the river, there are thousands of abandoned homes and commercial properties which are not rennovatable and neighborhoods which will not be reclaimed. Not a very good or thoughtful comparison.
Finally, it's odd that downtown boosters continuously bash metro residents who live in the suburbs. In the metro, only 21% of the population lives in KCMO at all, half of that north of the river, and only 20,000 live downtown out of a metro popuulation of over 2.3 million. I would think basic arithmetic would show that any businesses or activities downtown desperately need the financial support of people throughout the metro and that badmouthing them might not be the best way to attract visitors or customers.
The kiddie corps and urban futurists have occupied KCMO city hall and it's obvious the adults have left the building.
To which the folks who live in the rest of the metro can only say, good luck.

Anonymous said...

Many elected pro transit officials are usually opposed to doing anything to limit auto ownership and use by their own constituents.

Those elected officials are backed-up by a lively and loud collection of anti-highway, anti-automobile and pro-transit advocates and advocacy groups, some of which are themselves not-in-my-backyard activists opposed to highways; other are opposed to private automobile for various reasons (including largely out-dated concerns about air quality impacts of private automobiles); some promote transit as a way of stopping “sprawling” land use patterns (never mind that transit, including rail transit, allowed late 19th Century and early 20th Century “sprawling” suburbs to be constructed in the first place (both in the United States and other nations)); others are railfans that want the taxpayers to recreate the transportation system of the 1920′s (and sometimes cite “Roger Rabbit” type conspiracies that must (finally) be defeated); some are private consultants that earn handsome fees designing and engineering new transit systems; and some are charlatans just wanting to be where the money is.

Transit supporters may now respond with the usual innuendo and name calling.

Anonymous said...

I voted for it. WHERES My GODDAMN GONDOLA?

Anonymous said...

By the time this stupid streetcar gets finished all the stupid hipsters will be 40 and have bought cars and moved out of their loft apartments and right in to Brookside homes. No one will be riding that idiotic streetcar except convention tourists, and poor people. And all of us will still be paying for it. Dumbest idea ever. W can all blame global construction company, HDR. I'm starting to wonder if the streetcar craze is a Taliban plot to destroy the mid-size American city.

Anonymous said...

It is astounding there are so many people who haven't stopped to think why are they trying to sell me an obsolete transportation system from the 1920's?

Anonymous said...

Tech Bubble, Housing Bubble, Transportation Bubble.

It all blows at some point. And the results aren't pretty.

It Must Be Said said...

KC = Detroit

Anonymous said...

Detroit will be a better place to live by the time Sly and crew get finished with our finances.

Anonymous said...

Tony if you don't need your streetcar t-shirt I could use some rags to change the oil on my vintage t-bird.

Anonymous said...

Pound for pound KC is a shit box compared To Detroit.

Anonymous said...

3:29: They'll be moving to JOCO because they won't want to be responsible for paying the bills they've run up in KC. That state line is mighty handy. The folks left in KC will be paying to have the tracks taken up (again) and the Trolley Trail restored until, late in the 21st Century, some hipster descendants want to do it all over again.

elBryan said...

Upgrading our sewer infrastructure is a top priority but I won't authorize a penny to this city until we defeat this streetcar.

Anonymous said...

10:49 asserts that KCMO is growing faster than JOCO, and has been for a decade.

The US Census says that Johnson Co grew 20.6% (about 90,000 people) between 2000 and 2010. Kansas City Mo grew 4.1% (about 18,000 people) over the same time period.

Facts are tough things sometimes.

Anonymous said...

With all the bahh bahh sheeple whinning daily on here, did any of you sheep notice the lincoln at the edge of the pasture with the trunk open? waiting for one of you to speak up just loud enough? oh ya you saw it! Time to quit the whispering out of fear and start standing up for what you want in this city! If you dont you are just a pussy who love to bitch!!!

Anonymous said...

Around here,,,,We don't need no stinkin facts!

Anonymous said...

1st 8:28.. Hu?

Anonymous said...

http://modelviewculture.com/pieces/chattanooga-and-kansas-city-new-tech-towns-on-the-gigabit-frontier

Anonymous said...

7:44 that is because the people who have no money or future have nothing else to do but screw and make babies which entitles them to more government benefits.

JOCO isnt as rich as you think, at least not in morals, values and the one thing that Joco guys dont know is ghetto dick is fucking their deprived wives when they are on business trips :) :) :)

Anonymous said...

3:16 you probably voted for a longer small dick so you could try to shove it up in your own ass!!!

Anonymous said...

He said the suburban part of kcmo were growing faster than joco, not that all of kcmo was...
No wonder you guys have bought into the anti-transit hysteria so hard.

You've got the reading comprehension of 4th graders.

Easily duped.

Dredge up another Cato "statistic" and keep telling yourselves that numbers don't lie.

Haha. Fucking rubes. I take solace in knowing most of you don't live in kcmo and those that do don't vote. Bunch of angsty, angry, low/bad information reactionaries and nutjobs.

But don't worry, children f Overland Park and park hill...Bryan stadler won't "authorize" anything until he kills the streetcar. And sherry and Suzie sue from parkville will handle all the legal issues because there's a couple of constitutional scholars, plus you got Danny boy and paddy Rex's step and fetch it to organize your "community" activism...and God knows most urban kc shares those two winners values.

At this point you guys were doing better with the racist arguments about hoards of black people and bums sing the streetcar to mob and pillage.

Pitiful.

There's about 16 up addresses on this whole comment thread...it's an uprising, Jed! Go get Ethel and Tater and tell bring they gunz! The revolution will not be televised neither , because a hipster stole my tv to pay fer this here newfangled daggum toy train thingamajig!

Anonymous said...

Hope Bryan doesn't have another hyperventilating melt down like I heard he had at the school board meeting where he stormed away from the mic.

Anonymous said...

Nearly 100, TKC. Another snack cake coupon for ya.

Anonymous said...

In the end, no matter what people on here are passionate about...Kansas City is, has been,and will never (be) change!! (actions speak louder than corrupt politicians and unions words) Welcome to kansas city .

Anonymous said...

"He said the suburban part of kcmo were growing faster than joco, not that all of kcmo was...
No wonder you guys have bought into the anti-transit hysteria so hard."

Hey, 8:49, here's the exact quote. Perhaps you have the reading comprehension of something less than a 4th grader.

"Kcmo is growing faster than joco, dumbass. Has been for a decade."

Anonymous said...

"Haha. Fucking rubes. I take solace in knowing most of you don't live in kcmo and those that do don't vote. Bunch of angsty, angry, low/bad information reactionaries and nutjobs...

"At this point you guys were doing better with the racist arguments about hoards of black people and bums sing the streetcar to mob and pillage."

I live here, and I vote. Why would anyone who doesn't live in Kansas City care enough about our taxes to take the time to comment? As for the racist argument, idiot, it's nice that you're aleays willing to play the race card when it suits your purpose. How about considering people of color before making them pay a regressive sales tax for a frou frou trolley that duplicates the bus service we already have? So who are the racist here, Russ, Gunnar, et. al.?

You seem to think if you keep repeating bullshit it will become fact. It really doesn't work that way.


Anonymous said...

From the Hipster Manifesto:

"While we condemn any overt discrimination against people of color, we don’t really want to have anything to do with them (unless they happen to be hipsters, like us)*, hence our aversion to buses and our unwillingness to cross Troost and certainly Prospect. It’s all good and well to talk equality, but really, people! We are, of course, willing to use racism as a tool against any and all of our opponents. If you don’t like marathons, streetcars, and higher taxes for things we want, you’re a racist, in other words. See how well that works? If you don’t like it, you can always move to some Ku Klux Klan enclave in Utah or wherever."

*And they will be paying for our follies with every dollar they spend on groceries and the other things they must buy in the TDD ghettos we establish and where they are captive customers.

Anonymous said...

Oh my god, you antis are freaking the fuck out.

You're losing. Get over it.

Being wrong is hard, but its your choice.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for repeating your mantra, 8:23.

Maybe next time you'll address the facts.

Anonymous said...

Does Sly ever touch a project that doesn't turn into a hot mess? The train is coming, water mains must be replaced, so let the screwing of tax payers begin.

Anonymous said...

Ommmmmmmmmmm!

I see streetcars levitating to a new single terminal airport.

Ommmmmmmmmmm!

I see the Pentagon levitating.

Ommmmmmmmmmm!

I you build it we will ride it. At least once. And then we will want something else.

Ommmmmmmmmmm!

Anonymous said...

Ommmmmmmmmm!

I see the Pentagon levitating on the streetcar named Desire from River Market to Crown Center.

Ommmmmmmmmm!

elBryan said...

Lol, yea, Gunnar probably didn't like being lectured by me. It got us the six months we wanted though.

I'm not entirely convinced that the average KC voter is paying attention to the details surrounding streetcar funding, but if they are, the election results are almost surely in our favor.

Honestly, I think the water bond election is a good barometer as to how much additional debt kc is willing to accept. Even if it passes, I'm curious to see by what margin, and compare that to the results from ten years ago.