Wednesday, March 26, 2014

KANSAS CITY TOY TRAIN STREETCAR TRANSIT COST ANALYSIS!!!



The Mayor and City Council are clearly playing a very EXPENSIVE game with Kansas City transit . . .

Sbow-Me Blog: Kansas City Streetcar Expansion Could Buy More Than 100 Buses

Click the image or this link for a bigger, better MUST SEE VIEW of this shocking Kansas City info-graphic .

34 Comments:

Anonymous said...

But we prefer to ride a train rather than a bus.

Anonymous said...

This is from St. Louis billionaire Sinquefield who is running TV ads telling KC employers to move their businesses to Johnson County.

Anonymous said...

Its very easy for the goverment to spend tax payers money !

Anonymous said...

Its worthless for the streetcar track to go as far as UMKC even. This is so much like when City Hall went crazy for those trolley cars that Nitro & George inherited. NO ONE road those either. Its too much money, just for a few lazy tourists.

Clay C. said...

I prefer gondolas.

Anonymous said...

Unbelievable. And if we took the money and educated all those kids that Sly wants to take care of, they wouldn't even need buses.

Anonymous said...

You know, 10:19, attacking the messenger is not the same as refuting the facts.

Anonymous said...

I love Rex. Money talks, and he has more than the KC "elite."

Anonymous said...

Fact is trains are real transit not toys and they work better on a host of levels than buses, most of all at helping pay for themselves by encouraging reinvestment. Show me and Cato propaganda and lies aside, that is an observable proven economic fact. One might disagree about the volume of that effect but not it's exiatense. Buses simply do not do that. They also cannot handle the same volume of riders or move them as efficiently or as comfortably or as quietly or anything else. Rail transit works better. Saying you could buy x buses for the price of 1 rail line is like saying you can build 30 gravel roads for the price of one highway

Anonymous said...

Rail is the gold standar of transit in 100% of systems worldwide for a reason. KC and the anti-city, anti-urban, anti-transit, anti-working ideologues at the show me institute and their carpetbagger water boys and duped local shills are just not more clever than everywhere else on earth

Anonymous said...

12:35-12:39: Is this the new hipster mantra?

Anonymous said...

12:35 & 12:39 (same idiot)
How much you get paid to spew this nonsense?

Anonymous said...

Anyone who doesn't want to squander, er huh, I mean wisely spend millions and millions of dollars on a Toy Train is a lunatic heretic!

Buses can turn and navigate wherever they need to go on the existing street system.....what an antiquated method of transportation!

On the other hand, Toy Trains require lots of new expensive infrastructure that results in a permanently fixed rail line. In the future, when there are problems with underground utilities, sinkholes, water main breaks, etc., the Toy Train will have to be temporarily shut down until repairs are made, while the buses will merely drive around the detour.

...brought to you by the following:
KCMO Profligate Politicians

Civic Cheerleading Members of Building Means Progress!

Citizens For Higher Taxes

KCMO Construction Conglomerates

The Committee of Portland Envy

The Kansas City Falling Star

Anonymous said...

12:54+1

Anonymous said...

Rub roh!

Tkc echo chamber = not ready for truth.

Makes the shows shills nervous when the oi polloi don't march to they're phony libertarian wealth consolidation schemes and propaganda.

And the poor little internet trolls and sky is falling 20 something's hate it when their hate space gets uncovered and revealed for the farcical back patting choir preaching self congratulatory circle jerk it is.

Cue the reactionary shrieking in 5, 4, 3, 2...

Anonymous said...

Save out status quo of disinvestment and population loss!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

12:54:

You mean a hyperbolic hysterical frothy mouth lunatic.

That's the usual line used by 12:35 & 12:39 who is the self-proclaimed voice of reason using such newly-minted and invented tidbits as "observable proven economic fact" and "Rail is the gold standar of transit in 100% of systems worldwide" to justify something that would not pass anyone's idea of an objective cost/benefit analysis.

Making buses free for all would be cheaper and better.

Anonymous said...

English is such a difficult language. Could you get someone who is familiar with it to translate the comments at 1:00 and 1:03?

Anonymous said...

Pretty well researched piece. Unfortunately it's missing one key element. Suggesting people get their butts and gear and start cleaning out the corruption smelling up City Hall.

Chief Downtown Hipster Idiot said...

Liberty auto parts manufacturer LMV Automotive to add 166 jobs

No no no!! No cars will be permitted in MY CITY!!!!

Anonymous said...

KC got rid of trolleys in the 195s's for good reasons.

Anonymous said...

True the current crew in charge pretty much just responds with Blow Me when they are presented with facts.

Anonymous said...

Dear samefag: have you read the hipster manifesto? If you don't like it here in kc, you can always move to a city with all the density and rail you could ever want.

Please go. Leave now!

Anonymous said...

FUCK YOU HIPSTERS AND YOUR GRAVEL ROADS!

I WANT DIRT ROADS, BY GOD! WE CAN BUILD A LOT MORE DIRT ROADS THAN WE CAN GRAVEL OR ASPHAULT.

AND WE CAN HIRE 8 CHILDREN TO BUILD THEM FOR THE PRICE OF 1 ADULT.

MY CAPS IS STUCK BECAUSE MY KEYBOARD IS ALL STICKY.

DAN COFFEY

elBryan said...

LOL WUT?

Now we're going to pretend math isn't real? Archimedes just made it all up because he was a tea bagger who hated progress.

TIL if George Soros published a paper comparing the cost of buses to streetcars, then $87 million for 300 buses annually be MORE than $500M for 8 miles of streetcar track.

Anonymous said...

The notion that a rail line, or a bus or road for that matter, from anywhere to just somewhere else generates economic development is just plain silly.
If you built College Boulevard in Wamego, Kansas, would thousands of jobs be created?
The streetcar was first presented as transportation, then when that rationale was questioned, the switch turned to economic development, even though even some of those boosters repeated that it didn't make any difference if people actually rode the streetcar. Although it's a bit hard to see how empty streetcars going by businesses does much for developpment.
The rationales change; the routes change; the economics constantly change; and the real costs are carefully kept secret.
And the whole thing is overseen, not by accountable elected officials, but by an unaccountable hand-selected group with no discernable expertise and some of who are already cashing in.
And some folks wonder why there's less support for all this the more people find out?
Please.

Anonymous said...

The mantra is simple. If we build it, they will come. The higher the price tag, the more impressive the project sounds. The more money we siphon to our favorite friends and family contractors, the greater the chances of success. Just look at how well we've done with those two houses on Tracy Street if you have any doubts. Any doubts at all.

Anonymous said...

I think I'll trust my urban planning to a cartoonist for a community paper, an air filter saleswoman, a small time "think tank" shill, a couplle 3rd rate lawyers and some soccer moms.

They seem to know everything about transit and urban studies. Way more than the "hipsters" who studied such things in college, work in the feild or publish peer reviewed economic and urban studies journals.

After all, this is missouri, and we know that book learning is basically for pussies. And if they prove you wrong, just call them names or accuse them of being "paid consultants". Even if you happen to be a paid political consultant working or a game grassroots campaign. Call them renters even if you are a renter in a different neighborhood. Call them a minority, even if there are more of them than there's are of you. Because as long as you agree with me, your opinion matters in an anonymous comment forum for low information malcontents

Anonymous said...

"Because as long as you agree with me, your opinion matters in an anonymous comment forum for low information malcontents."

But YOUR comment is anonymous, and you don't seem too contented. Didn't you parents EVER* say "no" to you?

*This is the proper use of the word, by the way.

Anonymous said...

Where are self anointed Urban Transit Tweeters Johnson and Staubio? Will they be offering the holy water to the Midtown flock next? Or baptism by beer?

Anonymous said...

Oooooooo


I know who you are.......


I tracked your ip. Be afraaaaaaiiiid streetcar supporter!!

Uncle Rexie has methods...

Anonymous said...

Cato and Sho-me may be Libertarians, but they aren't stupid, and they've laid out the numbers. Fact. NextRail just spews hypotheticals.

Anonymous said...

The antis have relied on lies mistrusts fearmongerig and other bullying minority opinion tactics, but they haven't shown a single number that wasn't openly provided by the proponents and most if the adult voting base of this city knows it

Anonymous said...

you forgot to compare

MILES OF STORM SEWERS vs. MILE OF RAIL