Thursday, January 30, 2014

Toy Train Streetcar Won't Save Kansas City

Show-Me Blog shares this tidbit that FACT CHECKS the claims of Kansas City streetcar cheerleaders and reveals their twisted logic: "(KC Star Columnist Yael) Abouhalkah and other streetcar boosters are simply claiming credit for any development that occurs after plans to build a streetcar. This is the most basic of logical fallacies: post hoc ergo propter hoc. But this is not uncommon."

18 Comments:

Anonymous said...

Patrick Touhey is right! Cracker Barrel locating next to freeway off-ramps is merely a coincidence.

Anonymous said...

They weren't supposed to save KC in the first place. How much did he pay you to post this?

HI HORSEFACE! (Patsy's wife)

also thanks for shutting off The Missouri Record, speaking of stuff that comes from horses.

Anonymous said...

Streetcar supporters are mean!

Anonymous said...

First the streetcars were all about public transportation. Then they weren't.
Then they were all about eco devo. Now, not so much.
Next they were all about "tying the city's neighborhoods together", although it's hard to see how buses and streets don't do that already.
At the end of the day, the streetcars will be able dreams and mostly about debt.
That the taxpayers will be paying for decades.
See the above posting about the P&L District.
Where's the adult suupervision been?

Anonymous said...

The streetcar is such a joke. Again, you have a few wannabe urbanites that think the toy train is really going to put CK on the map! They can get on it and ride a block and get a stiffy by pretending it’s like the subway in NYC or the El in Chicago, when it’s more like the tram at Disneyworld. CK is car city. If it wasn’t, more people would be riding the Metro or Jo buses. If CK had all its ducks in a row and still had a lot of surplus dough to throw at experimental projects, then great. But since that is hardly the case, pour the money into more important improvements like water lines, sewers, street repairs and blight clean up.

Anonymous said...

Whats most important is that Developers overbuild a variety of market rate units. Slap a $10,000,500.00 or higher fictitious value on it, so they can pay $145 a year in property taxes with CK's special "tax incentives".

Zoooooooooom said...

Toy Train will take 4 seconds to get from River Market to Union Station. 305MPH. Zoom, your there.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

That's WAY too fast.
I'll spill my soy latte'!

Anonymous said...

Too bad Paddy Touhey missed the (growing) chain of developers who specifically listed the streetcar as an impetus for their plans.

LOL @ Show Me. Its hard to be as dumb as Paddy Touhey, but when your self-worth is based on pats on the head from Kemper and Sinquefield, you know your deep down the rabbit hole of stupid sicophancy.



Anonymous said...

Too bad Paddy Touhey missed the (growing) chain of developers who specifically listed the streetcar as an impetus for their plans.

LOL @ Show Me. Its hard to be as dumb as Paddy Touhey, but when your self-worth is based on pats on the head from Kemper and Sinquefield, you know your deep down the rabbit hole of stupid sicophancy.



Anonymous said...

Yeah, cause nothing has ever been built along transit routes in this country...that's why nothing is on the coasts, or in bays, or along rivers, or on railroads or highways. That why cities don't build airports. That why suburbs don't develop along highways. That's why there arn't towns along old wagon trails. Thats why cities don't build streets or bridges, that why there's no development at subway stops, or along the transit corridors of cities.

Show Me should change there name to Don't Bother Showing Me Cause I'll Ignore The Facts That Don't Fit My Ayn Rand 6th Grade Reading Comprehension Ideas.

Anonymous said...

Maybe you bunch of geniuses should check into the:

"Black and White Fallacy", i.e., CK can't even solve crime because it wants a TOY TRAIN BOONDOGGLE

"Argument from Fallacy Fallacy", i.e. Because CK developments aren't ALL demonstrably tied to the streetcar project, that proves the streetcar project doesn't affect development

"argument from repitition"

"argument from silence"

"the fallacy of the beard"

"the homonculus fallacy"

"incomplete comparisons"

and

"false authority"

Because you anti-streetcar shriekers are guilt of all of them.

Anonymous said...

The proposed streetcar has brought no decent jobs downtown. The City handing out subsidies for market rate apartments will insure that KCMO will become a bedroom community for the jobs in JoCo.

Anonymous said...

ORDINANCE NO. 140023

Authorizing the City Manager to enter into a funding agreement with the Planned Industrial Expansion Authority of Kansas City, Missouri for blight remediation in the Armour Gillham PIEA Planning Area in the amount of $2,500,000.00.

WHEREAS, the Newbern Project is a multi-family housing development within the Armour Gillham PIEA Planning Area, as such area is proposed to be expanded by PIEA Resolution No. 1567; and

WHEREAS, completion of the Newbern Project will significantly contribute to blight remediation in the Armour Gillham PIEA Planning Area; and
WHEREAS, the City desires to identify appropriate additional funding mechanisms to support completion of the Newbern Project; NOW, THEREFORE,

BE IT ORDAINED BY THE COUNCIL OF KANSAS CITY:

Section 1. That the City Manager is hereby authorized to execute a funding agreement with the Planned Industrial Expansion Authority of Kansas City, Missouri for blight remediation in the Armour Gillham PIEA Planning Area in the amount of $2,500,000.00 from funds to be appropriated from the Industrial Development Authority of the City of Kansas City, Missouri - Uptown Theater and Midtown Redevelopment Projects Midtown Business Interruption Fund.
Section 2. That the City Manager is authorized and directed to execute the funding agreement in substantially the form attached to this Ordinance with such changes and clarifications as are determined necessary by the City Manager.

_______________________________________

Approved as to form and legality:


________________________________
Brian T. Rabineau Assistant City Attorney

Anonymous said...

The Show Me Institute should know, post hoc ergo prompter hoc is the mother's milk of the faux libertarian pseudo intelligentsia.

elBryan said...

How many businesses have come and/or gone in City Center Square, Grand Street, and the Town Pavilion over the past decade?

Even if a business claims that the streetcar played a part in their decision to open, let's not pretend that it's really breaking news that something is developing within The Loop.

You can add residential and small business storefronts downtown all you want. Until the streetcar brings back over $600M worth of business the size of AMC or TransAmerica to downtown, they're not even CLOSE to justifying their costs.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the amateur econonmic analysis of shit you don't understand. Good to see your high school degree (bottom 3rd) is paying off for all of us.