Friday, May 03, 2013

Kansas City Toy Train Streetcar Critics Stand Up To City Hall Courtroom Strong Arm Tactics

Newspaper reports toy train cheerleaders attempting, once again, to bully voters out of the democratic process: Streetcar opponents attack bond request

45 Comments:

Anonymous said...

"The streetcar advocates in this city are a SMALL minority who have romanticized rail as a requirement to be a "real city" and they're hellbent on getting their way at any cost. Kansas City is not Chicago, although you wouldn't know that if if you compared our political tactics out of city hall and the violent crime as of late. Kansas City is a nice, affordable, medium sized city, and that's what Kansas City residents with families want."

That guy nailed it.

Anonymous said...

The Mayor termed the non-automobile movement of people critical to the city economy, saying, “there are those in the millennial class who say quite frankly that they’d much rather have an internet connection that a car payment. And I don’t blame them. I would too, if I had a way of getting around. We’re going to provide that way of getting around.”

That should be enough right there to expose this fucking farce for what it really is.

Anonymous said...

Nice affordable medium sized cities have transit now.

Shitty, dying small cities do not.

Anonymous said...

All brought to you by a whopping 344 votes.

Anonymous said...

Fuck off 3:23

Anonymous said...

How much of a minority are 2 residents and their out-of-town financial backers who think their voices should be the loudest because they own things were they don't live?

Anonymous said...

How much of a minority are 2 residents and their out-of-town financial backers who think their voices should be the loudest because they own things were they don't live?

Anonymous said...

Actually transit initiatives have passed multiple times in the RCP corridor.

Its the Northland which doesn't want transit, which is fine. But the core subsidizes their roads, sewers, electric infrastructure, as well as their police, fire and EMS response.

Suburbanite expect urban-level services, but they don't live in dense enough neighborhoods to support those services.

If you want to live "away from it all", don't expect the same ambulance, police and FD response times, the same sewer service, the same water service, the same road infrastructure and maintenance, etc.

The urban core needs fixed rail service. It is as dense as St Louis, Cleveland, Cincinnati, etc., and denser than a lot of places like Charlotte, Houston, Dallas that have rail transit and are seeing the benefits.

KC's mediocre transit is its achilles heel right now and everyone knows it.

Anonymous said...

"Nice affordable medium sized cities have transit now."

THEN MOVE THERE DUMBASS! BUH BYE! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Anonymous said...

KC's mediocre leadership is the problem. We can provide modern bus transport specific to the downtown areas at a small fraction of the costs annual and otherwise. And you know it. Stop LYING.

Anonymous said...

Instead, why don't you move to Jefferson City and be around other people who like living in small shitty dying towns.

Anonymous said...

The show me institute, grinders and this blogs 4 poster are the only people against this project.

Its laughable to see the temper trantrum even minor change inspires in you tepid, mouth-breathing midwestern rubes.

There like, 10 of you shrieking pussies, but you think if you wail loud enough your mama will sooth you hair and wipe away your tears and make sure nothing frightening an new ever shakes up you wittle bitty worldy-poo.

Anonymous said...

No ones lying about bus trnsit. The ATA just can't get it done with a miniscule budget and no power.

Look at the "BRT" line they half-assed and then go look at a real one. The simple can't get it done.


Too many 1985-era traffic engineers who's only goal is to ensure that our Main street looks devestated and empty with zero traffic and nothing but fly by night business.

Sorry, kiddos, the past is, well...passed.

Anonymous said...

Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) is an advanced public transport system, often presented as a cost effective alternative to light rail. Like light rail evolved from tram, BRT evolved from bus. Because Bus Rapid Transit requires relatively low investments it is suited to serve cities or connections with a modest mobility demand.

http://connectedcities.eu/showcases/phileas.html

Anonymous said...

God damn, you guys are crying ass suburbanite ninnies.

What a bunch of faggots. Actually, faggots is the wrong word, faggots aren't scared of every little change. More like what a bunch of whiny ass bitches. No, bitches to bitch that much. I guess, pussies, but pussies are tougher than you.

I know:

What a bunch of bourgie white dudes, huffing and puffing your chests when the world doesn't do what you say.

Entitled ass crackers.

Anonymous said...

Easy to say when your playing with other people money.

Anonymous said...

Finally some real leadership in KC. I knew they'd have to drag you babies into the present, kicking and screaming the whole way.

5 years from now, you guys will be clamouring for an extension.

Anonymous said...

Sue Bruke got a tax reduction this year, even with the streetcar tax.

Anonymous said...

If the Street Car people are so confident this project is so hugely popular put it up to a City Wide Vote.

Anonymous said...

Fun Fact:

If the Fake Philly Kid and the Filter Queen stall too long, KC will miss another round of federal funding and everybody's streetcar assessment will go up.

Thanks alot Stretch, Sue and out-of-town shadowy financial backers.

Anonymous said...

If the Street Car people are so confident this project is so hugely popular put it up to a City Wide Vote.

Agreed. This would end any debate about this whole debacle. At least everyone would know where Kansas City stands on it. Nothing complicated about it.

Anonymous said...

Do I get to vote on Park Hill school bond issues, even though I don't live in the district?

I bought dinner at Zona Rosa once and paid taxes.

Anonymous said...

Do I get to vote on the Highway 210 TDD, I bought gas on 210 highway once?

Anonymous said...

Put "De-Annex the Northland" up for a city-wide vote and see what happens.

Anonymous said...

I live downtown we don't need this thing. Anyone who can't walk a couple blocks or three, ride the bike, or take a bus is seriously dysfunctional.

Anonymous said...

Put in Downtown and surrounding areas a modern and flexible Bus Rapid Transit system, bike lanes, that's all you need. Spending $100 Million on a rigid, inflexible, and limited design is ludicrous.

Anonymous said...

After reading the lawsuit response I found it funny how it confirmed the districts stance to follow the law strictly.

That's a lawsuit with a future

Anonymous said...

Do I get to vote in the Plaza TDD because I shopped there once?

Anonymous said...

The Mayor termed the non-automobile movement of people critical to the city economy, saying, “there are those in the millennial class who say quite frankly that they’d much rather have an internet connection that a car payment. And I don’t blame them. I would too, if I had a way of getting around. We’re going to provide that way of getting around.”

The Mayor should just invest the $100 million that the toy train would cost, and use the earnings (say $6 million per year) to buy internet connections for all those millennial hipsters.

Anonymous said...

I like the cut of 3:58's jib!!!

Anonymous said...

Do I get to vote on the Plaza's TDD cuz I dump my 12 year old there on Saturday nights?

Anonymous said...

More and more very intelligent and experienced people are coming forth now and in the process these street car supporters, all 344 of them are looking like total fools with their inane kool aid fooled head in the clouds fantasy arguments. So this is good.

Anonymous said...

If Mark Bredemeier gets a fair day in court, this whole boondoggle will be stopped dead.

Anonymous said...

P&L was suppose to revitalize downtown. Now the trolley. Then a new convention center hotel.

Anonymous said...

Russ & Sly are owned by promoters, consultants, engineers, construction companies, etc. And I should not forget to add bridge contractors.

Anonymous said...

Here is an independent report evaluating streetcar projects; http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/96744187

Anonymous said...

"Nice affordable medium sized cities have transit now."

We have transit. It called a bus. You may have noticed them. I use them. You might check them out, 3:23.

"The show me institute, grinders and this blogs 4 poster are the only people against this project."

If you really believe this, 3:39, why not put the streetcar to a real vote by the people who will be paying for it? The sleazy way this was pushed through is proof the powers that be and their handlers didn't think it would pass a city-wide vote.

"5 years from now, you guys will be clamouring for an extension."

Five years from now, 3:45, this project won't be off the drawing board and the ATA will have been robbed of millions.

"The urban core needs fixed rail service."

That's the problem, 3:30. This project is fixed rail and not as flexible as the current bus system. Further, River Market to Crown Center is not the urban core.

"Sorry, kiddos, the past is, well...passed."

Is this an argument for or against, 3:41? Streetcars are so pre-war.

And 3:43 (the second one), you're just an idiot, and I try not to argue with idiots.




Anonymous said...

I like the toy train.

I strongly oppose the tactics used by the proponents of th toy train to cram this down the throats of the City's residents.

Lying, conniving, threatening and bullying have no place in this discussion. The nd DO NOT justify th means.

If the Mayor and Councilman Johnson had any integrity or sense o propriety, they would be ashamed.

elBryan said...

It's always nice to click on the "comment" button only to see that the very first comment is someone quoting... ME.

You're right, 3:08. I DID nail it. Thanks for sharing.

elBryan said...

Hey, after reading through the comments, I can tell that you guys are confused.

It's not just the Northland that doesn't want it. It's basically everywhere that actually wants good, reliable public transit. Rail is more expensive, limited in mobility, and cannibalizes bus service.

We don't want it in Northeast either.

Anonymous said...

I live at River Market and if I want to go to Union Station without the car, I have 3 options already. Bike, walk, or bus. We don't need $200m wasted on a trolley.

elBryan said...

9:27; bro, THANK YOU. There's already like TWO bus routes that run from the River Market to Union Station. If it's confusing or unappealing to tourists, find a way to make it better WITHOUT building a rail. Paint the bus metallic green, make it free, and run it along Main street if you have to. Jeez; anything but this fund sucking budget hole.

Anonymous said...

3:30, your numbers are off. The Northland, with 1/3 of the city's population, contributes nearly 1/2 the taxes, fees, etc. And it puts it a lot more than it takes out.

I don't know what you define as the "core" but the true urban of KC is dying, neighborhoods falling apart, school population shrinking, tax base shrinking, vacant houses on the rise. If you think this core is subsidizing the Northland then you need to go back to school, preferably not in the KCMO district.

Anonymous said...

what about a space elevator? since were wasting money on stupid trains so hipster dudes wearing womens jeans and raybans don't have to mingle with minorities, lets really waste money.

build a space elevator.


that's like google fiber, power and light, and green impact zone x100000.

Mayor Shy said...

There are those in the millennial class who say quite frankly that they’d much rather have access to outer space than an internet connection payment. And I don’t blame them. I would too, if I had a way of getting to outer space. And god damit we’re going to provide that way of getting there. No matter what the cost! Kansas City's elevator to space. Look for the special election coming some to a district near you! Free hot dogs and balloons for the kids. We shall not be left behind!!!!