As much as I hate to admit it, I was impressed with the Greater Kansas City Area once again . . .
THE LOVE CONQUERS HATE RALLY COMPLETELY OUTCLASSED ALL OF THE ANGRY FOLKS AT THE RITZ CHARLES!!!
The Star underestimated the attendance but judging by parking, crowd size and people the NAACP bussed in . . .
THERE WERE AN EQUAL NUMBER OF FOLKS OUTSIDE PROTESTING THIS KOBACH AND SHERIFF JOE RALLY AS THERE WERE ENJOYING THE AIR CONDITIONED ANGRY RALLY INSIDE THE PLACE!!!
Because I know politics and mainstream media coverage . . . I'm assuming there is more than a little BS when it comes to numbers from the other side . . . But the event wasn't simply about the size of the crowds.
What the local media isn't reporting is that there were SEVERAL FAITH COMMUNITIES SHOWING THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE UNDOCUMENTED!!!
The "Sisters of Mercy" crew and Priests and other faith workers were outside in the heat. Also the crowd outside was MUCH YOUNGER than the people walking into the immigrant hate rally.
Check out School Board member Crispin Rea taking water to the group. It's a great example of a Kansas City elected official providing a great deal of leadership by example.
I guess it's also worth noting that there was a bomb scare that turned out to be NOTHING . . . But that didn't have anything to do with the crowd outside that was peaceful and silent.
Also, special credit should go out to authorities who kept everybody safe. Totally readjusted some of my stereotypes about law enforcement in JoCo.
All things considered, what I was impressed with was a crowd outside the place that truly looked like America . . . Young, diverse, committed, sweaty, on the street and standing against hate.
good, good.
ReplyDeleteone side is hip and out of touch...which one you think it is?
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of faith communities, don't forget the Unitarians! There was a contingent from the Lawrence UU Fellowship (one of the event organizers, actually) and also from Gaia Community UU Church.
ReplyDeleteYou pro-illegal alien guys are laughable.
ReplyDeleteAnd no matter how many times you repeat the words, the Tea Party Movement is not racist.
Tony, please report to us how many black candidates are being endorsed by the Tea Party this year.
Thanks, I'll be looking for the story.
I heard radio news, TV news, and OP police (officer interviewed) all reported seeing 2,000 attendees inside.
ReplyDeleteI heard the same radio news and TV news reported "more than 100 persons" and "as many as 200" persons outside. And looking at these photos, I see maybe 100-150 people outside.
I wasn't there, but based on the news reports I'd have to conclude the ratio of inside to outside was about 10 to 1.
It looks to me as if some of the people on the pro-illegal side have a direct financial interest in bringing in more illegal aliens and providing services to them. It's really about job security for folks like Crispin Rea, isn't it? Growing your client base and keeping them dependent on you? The Democrats have become masters at the procedure.
ReplyDeleteStart some sort of "social service" organization.
ReplyDeletePush for illegal aliens to be able to come into the country.
Decry the discrimination against them and their poor economic status.
Get government money to "help" them.
Perpetuate the cozy job you developed for yourself.
If, by chance, your "clientele" happen to rise above the dependent state you try to keep them in, you can always develop a new underclass for you to feed off of.
Lots of democrats want the border controlled, 8:44. I'm one. It's the right thing to do, make everyone who lives in the US accountable--something that doesn't seem to be important in the Mexican culture.
ReplyDeleteActually the whole thing, inside and out, was a media event. Professional signs, some organizations showing up for TV visibility. Krispin making sure he gets a mention for helping.
The whole world now has lots of media moxie and the TV will generally let them because its good for viewership.
We're still going to close and control the borders no matter how much hand wringing is going on. Sadly for Tee, voters don't read blogs.
Youre as one sided as Faux news is, Tony. That is going to marginalize you. I think people want Truth and to be able to make up their OWN minds what to think of it. Not have it filterd out before their eyes see it.
No matter what, the Big Faux News still has a relatively small national audience. Moreover, twice the audience of its more balanced (CNN) or one sided (MSNBC) competitors, doubling of a small percentage is still a small percentage.
I think one sided broadcasts destroy Truth, destroy the media's reputation to deliver it.
BTW, Tony, I'm fully and personally responsible for half your hits. Specially on hot days when I don't go out. Sigh.
You're right, TEE, I'm just another TKC douchbag, and I spend too much time on your douchblog.
But as I mentioned yesterday, it's better to be a douchbag than a colostomy bag!
The "Undocumented"... What is wrong with calling them illegal aliens? Oh, I forgot that 34% of the U.S. prison population thinks they are in jail because of the color of their skin, not because they did something illegal.
ReplyDeleteCrowd estimates are impossible to make. Try it sometime. You'll usually be wrong by a factor of five to ten.
ReplyDeleteThat's why nobody but morons try to make them and/or draw sweeping conclusions from them.
OH HI TONY
The NAACP folks and others must have enjoyed this nice summer evening drive out to OP for a very civilized protest. First of all, they knew that those terrible haters that would be confronting wouldn't should racial slurs at them or hurt them in any way. What a chuckle fest.
ReplyDeleteI would like to remind Radioretard once again that he is a fucking stupid douche bag.
ReplyDeleteAs Tony says, your son is going to grow up and bang a Hispanic woman. Get used to the new world.
ReplyDeleteMr Charles? Are related to RITZ Charles? Owner of the HATE HOTEL? Or meeting room, whatevs.
ReplyDeletePls to ask TKC, since he can't say the outsiders outNUMBERED the insiders, how he can say they outCLASSED the insiders, given he has no pictures of them and presumably he was just inside. And so the 'outclassed' comment is just a creative headline?
I admit I only watched one newscast last night at ten... and the story I happened to catch was seriously lacking. Its a big issue, it should have had team coverage. Maybe KCTV no longer has a staff large enough to be a team? Probably couldnt' even field enough reporters to play basketball!
A case could be made that if the insiders outnumbered the outsiders 10-1, then the limited outside coverage was journalistically defensible. But their 20 something reporter DID, in her liveshot call Kobach the Secy of State... not the wannabe Secy of State.
Frankly I thought the suspicious briefcase angle was interesting, but not worth the attention it got, given the importance of the immigration issue.
Thanks Charley for the excuse to write another essay! Say hi to TEE. I was glad for his story, beause it was undercovered on teevee.
So between TEE and the Tee-VEE, I think I got a fair idea of what happened.
If all the opponents of legal immigration could muster was about 200 people, a large number of whom were bussed in by the NAACP- according to TKC's reporting- (was this one of the convention's special evening activities?, then methinks it's a pitiful showing.
ReplyDeleteSuggested editing of your last sentence: Young, likely to be committed, sweaty, on the street and standing...
But thanks for braving the heat TKC... and you might change your mind about a lot of things in Johnson County if you'd come visit more often.
I heard that JOCO has so much money, they aircondition outSIDE!
ReplyDeleteI wonder how many of the people protesting undocumented workers would like their jobs tearing off roofs for minimum wage on a 96 degree day like today.
ReplyDeleteMost of the people protesting have educations so don't HAVE to tear off roofs. Dunno how many people want them to go back to Mexico where it's 96 degrees and NO work... but here, we require ID's, taxes and permission to work.
ReplyDeleteIF they don't wanna work in this heat, we can wait til fall to fix the roof! It's sad that min wage for their families in Mexico is a lot of money. But then, they don't require much.
I wouldn't like that job, as I'm old and fat, but I'm sure there are young American guys who can and would do it. Americans have done it.
ReplyDeleteBut maybe the contractor should have to pay more than minimum wage. I think most of the fast food joints in JoCo pay more than the minimum wage.
@ anon 10:30- ain't no one in that crowd doing roof work so methinks your question is silly. The better question is whether they would be willing to pay more for that roof work if it was being done by legal workers who stand a better chance of earning more than minimum wage because of the legal protections. (You know, all those silly little laws pertaining to wages and hours and safety. ) "Work Americans won't do" is bullshit. Pay someone enough and they'll do a job- but of course someone has to be willing to pay for the cost of that labor. So- you want illegals underpaid, abused and in danger? Or a system of law that protects us ALL?
ReplyDeleteThis was good stuff. The protesters showed they were in the right.
ReplyDeleteIllegals are still illegal - go back to your country.
ReplyDeletethe only thing missing yesterday was someone waving the Mexican flag!
Tony proves once again why this blog and he is nothing more than a racist bigot Anne Landers. It's interesting that the retard group protesting had signs that read "Peace not war", "Peace this... Peace that" However, one of these left wing nut jobs left a box at the Ritz Charles and called in a bomb threat. Why is it that the group that professes peace is the one who engages in violence. You didn't see a bused group of Tea Party members sitting outside the NAACP convention protesting their racist group. Sheriff Joe is a true American Hero who has served his country his entire life. But during this whole ordeal I have come up with a solution for all. Since we have a finite amount of money. We get all the illegal immigrants on one side and blacks on the other side, dump the money in the middle and tell them winner take all. The American taxpayers cannot continue to support every single group of people that decide they are not going to take responsibility for themselves.
ReplyDeleteDid Bill Ayers use love to conquer hate?
ReplyDeletethese left wing nut jobs left a box at the Ritz Charles and called in a bomb threat.
ReplyDeleteNO PROOF.
Many people suspect it was a distracting tactic from the losing kobach side.
The bottom line: It was an empty briefcase.
Try again racist. The facts so easily expose your lies.
Well, if the protesters were young and diverse, they must be on the right side. That's just a given. Although those women -- I think they're both women -- the last picture don't look like they're exactly cool and with it.
ReplyDeleteA lot of the protesters have gray hair, and some of the women are a bit chubby with nice wide asses from living the good life. Most of them also seem to be white. Hmm. Look a lot like the Tea Party folks.
ReplyDeleteprotester beauty contest? We all lose.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you love hate and hate love?
ReplyDeleteLet's all make love!
ReplyDeleteTen Commandments ..
ReplyDeleteLove thy neighbor
Kobach's Ten Commandments
Love thy neighbor,only if they have a "green card."
11:16... you didn't build your case. Only looks to me like the usual hand wringers showed up, some not even into the immigration movement as much as they are anti-war. Probably they show up at all the usual protests because that's what they do to make themselves feel committed to social change.
ReplyDeleteThe outside protest, spread out 1 person deep to look bigger than they really were for the cameras, simply showed that there isn't a lot of people supporting the US turning into Norte Mexico except the illegals themselves.
And they had landscaping to do until dark so probably couldn't get off, even tho most of them were working along College Blvd's office buildings!
Sorry, they showed they had no stomach to speak out. I think most Latin Americans support regulation and documentation.
I've yet to hear Tony explain why he doesn't. Its just a bitch gettin an unpopular protest movement goin, ain't it?
Thanks Tony for taking my pic and posting for me. You are an awesome cousin in indeed.
ReplyDeleteCrispin
OK, yet another vigil about something, and another long list of special groups for or against something, too. Now that that's over and done with, maybe some of these people will actually roll up their sleeves and work together to make the community a better place for EVERYONE.
ReplyDelete@1:58 - "Good fences make good neighbors." - Robert Frost
ReplyDeleteIf you need a Commandment for refutation, how about "Thou shall not covet they neighbor's..." Methinks coveting is what brings illegals here.
One of the protesters had a sign saying "Who would Jesus deport?"
Try this:
"And Jesus answering, said to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him." Mark 12:17
Methinks taxes, borders, national security etc. all fall neatly under Caesar's auspices.
There would be trouble if the pastor or priest from my church was out there supporting illegal activity.
ReplyDeleteMay Allah, blessed be his name, smite the unbelieving.
ReplyDeleteAs luck would have it, not many protesters are encumbered by boring stuff like a J-O-B or pointless diversions like helping the kids with homework.
ReplyDeleteLet me get this straight... somebody's great-great-great grandma's third cousin's drunk uncle was a slave and NOW, a hundred and fifty fucking years later, their distant descendants can't just move on and get a life?
Pathetic.
Crispin and rest of the politicians using illegal aliens are pathetic. I didn't vote for this lawlessness.
ReplyDelete"Also the crowd outside was MUCH YOUNGER than the people walking into the immigrant hate rally."
ReplyDeleteAge discrimination Tony.
4:26 PM
ReplyDeleteJesus told the rich man that if he wanted to enter the Kingdom of Heaven he had to give all of his possessions to the poor. Naturally, this passage isn't a favorite with American Christians.
I say this only as a counter example. I'm a Buddhist. I've given all of my possessions away three times, so that I wouldn't be burden with them. I rent a modest dwelling that I don't have to convert into a fortress to secure things that aren't important.
I do appreciate your maturity of spirit. What you've said shows me again that you and I agree on many things, including the concept of Christianity.
ReplyDeleteJesus was clearly a socialist, maybe even a communist--both loosely defined. No, doesn't sit well with people in the United States of Materialism.
But the US is what it is, to use a tritism that suggests there's no point changing the fundamentals.
Your viewpoint is fairly incompatible with the values of this culture and I'd suggest if you more value the immaterialistic model of the third world, you might be happier in one of them.
The US is very western, in that we exect a modern, educated society with a unique concept of government/capitalism, order, and lifestyle.
Not everyone has it, for various reasons which are mostly economic. Lots of people in the world want what we have, try to copy it or steal it.
And others don't. Maybe like you. The open border thing troubles me because I'm not all that impressed with Mexico. It's been a long time but I did drive/tour all the way to Mexico City before drugs and mayhem caused their influence. It's as third world as I saw in the far east when I was in the military.
Nice places to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. Nor do I want the US to blend with that culture. I think they're up here to steal it. They certainly aren't motivated to copy it. Arabs are doing the same thing in Europe.
Sorry, but that would be a big step backwards for western cultures to let them dumb us down.
Shameful that we send so much money from our culture to both arabia major, and Latin America, and they don't seem to be doing much with it.
Simply tells me that if they move here, they'll just dumb us down to be more like their old cultures.
Hispanics would be wise to sit back, study what it is they like about the US. And either join us or copy us, but not to make us more like him.
Tony is incredibly arrogant when he smugly mentions one in four babies born here are to Hispanics.
If its about their color/background, that's fine. If its about the Mexican culture, well how can people be arrogant about a less developed culture? Specially from a guy who seems to enjoy and live THIS culture more than that one.
I've noticed that about American Indians as well. Seem to worship their ancestors' hunter-gatherer ways. And blacks, worshiping through rap, ignorance and violence.
Maybe embracing less civilized values gives one permission not to bother advancing. That is not the American ideal we strive for. Otherwise, lets close the universities, dig up our lawns and plant vegetables and go back to sitting on the ground.
I submit, it's our country and we can live the way we want. I know, Byron, you don't likely adhere to the concept that people can own and control a piece of the planet where they live, so you're not going to agree.
The more advanced civilizations do subscribe to owning parcels of land and what to do with it.
Radioman
ReplyDeleteI must continue to practice "speaking".
I will concede that you are a much better writer than I am, which is probably why you're so much more loquacious.
I don't think our planets resources will support our culture for much longer. I tell the local boys, "What are you going to do when the coal runs out?" The only decent jobs, for a humble working man, are in the mines & every once in a while some are martryed for ... electricity.
Byron- kudos to you for adopting a lifestyle that is simple and unassuming. Most of us are not willing to make that choice. However- being rich does not mean one does not care for others. How can charity help those without unless it's helped by those who have? Integrity, honor, empathy are not restricted to any income level, sex, race, faith or age. Nor are greed, sloth and arrogance.
ReplyDeleteRadioman- if Jesus was a socialist, you are the Queen of England. Socialism is a political philosophy, where society (okay actually the few hundred or so thugs at the top, but let's not quibble) decides who should get what and from whom it's taken. Jesus would urge you, as an individual, to take care of your brothers and sisters and to give thanks and glory to God for the blessings you have to share. Methinks he would not urge you to give all your money/possessions to the GOVERNMENT for it to then dole out. The key is the individual choice. This is the same savior who told us the poor would be with us always.
And Byron- kudos also to using loquacious to describe RM. It so much more polite than 'long-winded bore.'
Anon 10:27 AM
ReplyDeleteYou are right about some of the rich being excellent people. In West Virginia, we honor the memory of a rich, elderly socialite who faced down federal machine guns to save the lives of striking coal miners. I don't remember her real name at the moment, she is referred to, with affection, as Mother Jones.
Probably no one will read this, but I wanted to answer your good points.
LOVE CONQUERS HATE, is the name of the article and found some texts of tolerance and love from a diversity of people. Unfortunately, found some fear.
ReplyDeleteByron wrote:
"Probably no one will read this, but I wanted to answer your good points."
I've read you and found only good words in your text.