Sunday, July 02, 2017

THE TKC SUNDAY SEARCH FOR TRUTH!!! KANSAS CITY TOY TRAIN STREETCAR RIDERSHIP STAT JUXTAPOSITION!!!



The topic of local counting and stats deserves just a bit of consideration and our blog community has been blessed with an active readership who diligently examine the bold and often irrationally exuberant claims of City Hall promoting one of their favorite transit pet projects.

Here's the word . . .

AWESOME TKC TIPSTER notes: "Seattle claims their streetcar served 518,248 riders last year or 1,400 riders per day. KC streetcar claims a daily average ridership of 6,822. That is almost 5 times the ridership of Seattle. Is somebody “cooking the books” in KC?"

And so, as KCMO attempts to become a "world-class" city and Sunday evokes contemplation of faith and reason . . .

WHEN COMPARED WITH STREETCAR RIDERSHIP NUMBERS IN BIGGER, BETTER TOWNS . . . ARE KANSAS CITY STATS BELIEVABLE???

You decide . . .

31 Comments:

Anonymous said...

City Hall has tried to justify the counting mechanism and unique passenger trip methodology but it does raise suspicion to see that we're so far ahead of a place like Seattle that has a much more intricately planned public transportation system.

Jameson said...

Here's what I don't understand, KC gets so much streetcar promotion. What will happen when the money runs out and they aren't having streetcar parties all year? I don't see as much excitement around the line this year as there was last year. Some drop off is understandable and at some point all of the gains in traffic will have to stabilize.

Anonymous said...

Party never stops in Kansas City.

DKC said...

The books aren't just cooked, they are fricasseed.

There are a lot of people who ride the streetcar and they enjoy it. It does bring some excitement to downtown and it's a fun little excursion for tourists.

But all of the lying about it for the sake of expansion is dangerous, that mail in election is dangerous because it opens the door for elected officials to use the same practice to do something more detrimental and bypass the voters. The way they are not allowing the public to vote on the convention hotel is a good example of this.

Anonymous said...

Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock are coming to KC to promote there new movie about a hijacked street car................ SLOW....

Anonymous said...

No Streetcar Authority staff are on the cars to count ridership. Somehow they count ridership. If you're riding it just to ride it and go to either starting or ending point, you are required to exit and get back on. Although you are one person you are counted twice. If one person rides it periodically four times in a day, you are counted as four people and not one.

Total bullshit.

Anonymous said...

What they always fail to mention is the rides are free.

Anonymous said...

Money won't run out anytime soon. 799 million gobond left to waste

Anonymous said...

Taxpayers better hope that Trump’s plan to end federal funding for what are obviously local projects wins out.

Anonymous said...

When all else fails, manipulate the data

Super Dave said...

Remember, I told you the numbers are Bogus

'Just the facts, ma'am said...

Someone's math is off. The line runs every 10-15 minutes on-peak and every 12-18 off-peak. Round that to every 15 minutes for every hour of operation (145/week) or 580 runs/week. 6,822 riders/day is 47,754 rider/week. That works out to be fractionally more than 82 riders per run. There are ten stops on the run so that means eight people board the train at each stop on average for every run of every day. That doesn't seem likely though it's not impossible. The really startling number is 1,400 for Seattle. they must have several runs with no one on board.

Anonymous said...

Any statistician can tell you the numbers are completely false. And why hasn't the city done an INDEPENDENT audit of the numbers? Those numbers can't be faked. For the streetcar to have 5700 riders daily even on weekdays would mean that people were riding it to and from work. That would mean downtown workers sold their houses in Waldo, Gladstone, Blue Springs, Overland Park, etc. and all moved their families to expensive rentals downtown and City Market. We know that didn't happen. It would also mean the $30,000/year employees at banks, City Hall, the Federal Building and more are also using the Streetcar daily to get to restaurants and spend $20/day for lunch. And we know that's not happening. How many law firms with wealthy lawyers going to lunch are located along the streetcar line? Most are south of the line. So who has all the money to spend riding the streetcar for daily lunch downtown? Where are the demographics?

Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, none of you has any proof to the contrary.

AGAIN.

But do continue pissing into the wind. It looks good on y'all.

Anonymous said...

Seattle doesn't get 24 billion visitors like KC does.

Crazy Clown said...

Theres wayyyyyyy more to do in SEATTLE, LOS ANGELES, San Francisco and MIAMI, and New York than KILLA' CITY, Kansas City

Yet according to the COMMUNIST Propaganda Degenerate Retarded Liberals down at KCMO City Hall, as well as the Dimwit Naïve Clueless braindead Libtards in the local KC News Media,,,,,

KC has more riders on the LIONEL TOY TRAIN than any of the cities mentioned above ???????????

Ya' can tell those Degenerate KCMO City Hall Commies graduated from the KCMO School District,, shit they can't count, no wonder they got hired down there at KCMO CITY HALL, Dey' ain't gotta NO NUTTIN' !!

Di'versity got them the job, NOT smarts or intelligence !!!

Anonymous said...

The entire "renaissance" of KCMO is mostly an over-inflated balloon of hot air and hype.
The streetcar ridership numbers are a joke.
The claim of 24 million tourists a year is laughable.
The Star editorial supporting a new airport terminal stated as one of the reasons that's needed is because "the new downtown convention hotel will be attracting tens of thousands of visitors".
You really can't make this crap up and anyone who actually lives in the metro and takes even the most superficial glance at KCMO knows this all to be a fantasy.
But they've repeated their baloney so many times and they've traveled around the country pitching their own success so much, that maybe Sly and the gang have actually come to believe it's true.
Sly's supposedly a great pitchman for KCMO.
Unfortunately, of course, that's not his job.
He's the mayor.
And the state of city government in KCMO is a very sad joke.

Anonymous said...

Those empty streetcars go up and down Main Street all day and night. The only time there is anybody on them is the weekends when the tourists come for a free ride.

Anonymous said...

"Is someone cooking the books." Rhetorical question?

Anonymous said...

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

Anonymous said...

The expansion vote incorporates voter suppression. Voter suppression is a strategy to influence the outcome of an election by discouraging or preventing people from voting. Why hasn’t the Attorney General for the State of Missouri stopped this?

Anonymous said...

Interesting that Sly says we have 25 million visitors a year but Aviation Department reports 5.5 million people getting on a plane and leaving town - including people who live here. How many hotel nights are reported each year? What is the total attendance at Royals and other attractions? And why isn't anyone in the media asking these questions?

Anonymous said...

Those wild ridership claims insult the intelligence of the citizens of KCMO. Only the KC Star would believe them.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 'Just the facts, ma'am said... they must have several runs with no one on board. Come on down at 6 am and count the number of folks on the KC trolley. During weekdays the ridership is mostly the homeless getting out of the weather.

Polar Bear said...

6,822 huh. Sounds like a tall stack of BULLSHIT !

CHOO CHOO

Anonymous said...

It's a joke ! The people in JoCo can't wait for the lower middle class taxpayers of KCMO to pay for the ToyTrain so a few tourists will come to OP for the weekend, and not disrupt their schools.

Thanks Sly, and Burns & Mac!!! Thieves!!!!

Anonymous said...

They are counting all the people that go to chiefs and royals games as visitors so there's about three million people right there, also anybody that drives in to work in kc is counted too. Feeble desperate attempt to bloat numbers. By the way Hawaii gets 8 million visitors a year but yet we get 24 million...... ya right

Fred B. said...

The South Lake Union (SLU) leg of Seattle's rail is a small portion of the overall ridership and this leg has seen a decrease as of late. In theory, KC numbers could be larger than this small section of Seattle system, but for overall ridership Seattle trounces KC.

agentzero said...

This morning at 9 0nly two riders and I was one

agentzero said...

Not exactly mission critical for first two hours of the morning

agentzero said...

If they were giving away free pizza they would have high numbers,but is it generating economics they said, I think not