Tuesday, September 13, 2016

TKC BREAKING AND EXCLUSIVE NEWS!!! KANSAS CITY RESIDENTS PREP ARGUMENTS FOR TOY TRAIN COURTROOM SHOWDOWN AND WARN STREETCAR EXTENSION IS TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!



Another Kansas City toy train streetcar showdown is coming soon and this time it's personal . . . Or at least those who oppose the effort are getting their arguments in order without anything close to the help of the army of consultants hired to push the project.

Here's the word from CFRG about their plan to fight this seemingly inevitable project that was already rejected by voters two years ago . . . 

IMPORTANT STREETCAR EXTENSION MEETING::: Court hearing on streetcar extension set for Thursday

On Thursday September 15th, in the Circuit Court of Jackson County, 415 E. 12th Street, 6th floor in the courtroom of Judge J. Dale Youngs. Judge Youngs will hear testimony from the public as to whether he should allow another new TDD to be set up to expand the streetcar line. You can sign up to testify starting at 8:30am. The testimony will begin at 9:00am. (See the KCBJ article below)..

The petition KCRTA and associates will present to the judge should never see the light of day. It is Vague and Ambiguous; the Judge should throw it out. It does not contain a true picture of the total costs of this project. In fact there is only $10,000,000 of “utility relocation” costs in the proposal when the water department alone spent between $25,000,000 and $50,000,000 of taxpayer money on the original 4 mile streetcar line. This line is 8 miles. The Gas and Electric utilities will not tell us what they spent so far but we have all seen our utility bills go thru the roof. If this TDD proposal goes through, it will be more of the same. Some at City Hall and 50 or 60 civilians are behind this proposal. If it passes they will obligate the entire city to hundreds of millions of dollars in the future. The judge should stop this now. It is taxation without representation!

Streetcar proponents will tell you only people living in the proposed TDD will pay the increased property tax, the increased sales tax (including prescription drugs and groceries) and the new assessment taxes. Not true! The city owns property in the proposed TDD and thus the city will have to pony up. Where does the city get their money? FROM YOU!!! So all Kansas City Missouri voters will pay thru higher utility bills and money from the general fund. At least if they are going to do this, it should be a City Wide vote, like Clay Chastain’s. That way we all have a say.

If you live between the river and 54th Street within 3 miles either side of Main St., you will feel the increased tax burdens. Go to the courthouse THURSDAY and let the Judge know you do not approve of taxation without representation! He should deny the request for another TDD. Enough is enough!
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42 Comments:

Anonymous said...

This shouldn't even be a question.

We need a city wide vote on this.

Anything less is just another rigged election and is for the lawyers, not the voters.

Anonymous said...

Hope they will have extra chairs, this might be the only debate that matters in KC this week.

Go For KC said...

Don't be on the wrong side of history Tk.

This streetcar will win and people will be glad because of it. that is the way of the world, people always want something new and this tiem they deserve it.

Anonymous said...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Grow up.

Anonymous said...

Streetcars are not "new," 3:31. They were phased out 60 years ago in favor of buses for good reasons.

Anonymous said...

Washington, D.C. is calling their streetcar a Disneyland ride that does nothing for jobs. Sound familiar? It's predicted to be their biggest boondoggle in years. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/dcs-tortured-quest-to-bring-back-streetcars-seen-as-boon-to-some-affront-to-others/2016/02/26/05a853e2-db13-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html

Anonymous said...

i forget who said it but creating a voting district based off the data of who passed the streetcar during the failed vote back in 2012 is problematic. Perhaps this already happens & im just unaware but it seems precedent setting. Float out an election, get the voting data and then gerrymander a district to pass it thru next time.

As we might see with CIDs, you can pervert these special districts anyway you want in KCMO. This is becoming concerning.

Anonymous said...

This article sums it up about D.C.'s streetcar debacle. "In other words: DC, you’ve done streetcars. They were nice, they made for good sepia photos for 21st-century hipsters to frame and put in their bathrooms, and everybody appreciated you as historical fact. But they died. they failed. There’s no need to bring them back." http://www.citymetric.com/transport/7-things-washington-dcs-200m-streetcar-taught-us-about-public-transport-1962

Anonymous said...

Meh, will be business as usual after this so-called hearing. The spirit of Pendergast lives in this city.

Anonymous said...

"This streetcar will win and people will be glad because of it. that is the way of the world, people always want something new and this tiem they deserve it."

The only people who will be "glad" will be the contractors hired to build and maintain Kansas City's tribute to nostalgia on a route already well-served by buses. The people who live along the route, the people who will lose the use of part of Main Street, people who own property in the CID, taxpayers who will eventually have to pick up the tab when costs outstrip revenues, etc. will be anything but "glad."

Anonymous said...

Guess I'll grab a tall bottle of Tony Botello's Tears and TAKE A BIG 'OL SWIG, YUM!!!!

aaaaah! Now that's refreshment.

Anonymous said...

Let's face it. The streetcar is not mass transit. It's no faster than a bus. It will not be reliable for getting to work like a bus or light rail. But if it's a tourist magnet, then fine. Use it for tourism from the downtown hotels to a new entertainment district in the West Bottoms. Run a streetcar line to the Kemper Arena and develop the warehouse districts. But it's really not going to spur enough development on Main Street and will just get in the way of cars and buses.

Anonymous said...

Earnings tax on those living outside KC city limits is taxation without representation. I don't recall any of the KC moochers bitching about that. Enjoy your train system.

Anonymous said...

Super Dave had the best idea yet yesterday for charging those who want to ride. Any bets on how much the number of riders falls off flater than the Royals comeback?

Anonymous said...

All the endless breathless "excitement", strategizing, infighting, inflated claims, legal maneuvering, and all the rest about a little streetcar line just go to show what a little cow town KCMO really is.
Egos, personalities, celebrities, insiders, power brokers, clever lawyers, liars, low-information residents.
This show has them all!
P.T.Barnum would be proud.

Crazy Clown said...

and they'll go ahead with this as usual,,,

there will be NO Vote and even if there was it'd be rigged !!!

and what will YOU the people of Kansas City DO ?????

NOTHING just like you always do, to let these asswipes get by with it,,,

NOBODY has the balls to actually throw that Degenerate corrupt Mayor and his cohorts out of office - and I don't mean by voting him out either or a Recall,,,,,

This is more like what I talking about :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgEEn75JEuY

Anonymous said...

You mean my voice will actually get heard? To actually be included. I will go.

Anonymous said...

I voted against streetcar CID before. To vote in that mail-in election your ballot had to be notarized. The judge that approved that arrangement should be removed from office.

Anonymous said...

We need this modernistic and futuristic thinking extension! Millions want to use the streetcar for work and play! Moneys cheap these days! Let's take advantage of it!

Anonymous said...

7:41am – you might have something there. Instead of creating a CID to pay for it, how about taxing those free loaders that come over from JoCo and ride it? Let’s bump up the earnings tax and dedicate it for the trolley.

Anonymous said...

Taxation without representation? We do it all the time. The judge won't help you. The E-Tax on out-of town employees that work in town? They don't get to vote? Hotel/Lodging taxes? No votes for them. We're actually really good at taxing people who don't have a vote....

Anonymous said...

Dave Coffeyville Johnson claims the Streetcar district is generating a surplus!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Being a non profit public service there shouldn't be any reason they would want to hide the books and the numbers!!

Ding ding! All aboooooooooooard!

Anonymous said...

My guess is there is rampant fraud going on that the public needs to know about.

Anonymous said...

Wouldn't the real estate taxes on the $2+ billion new development the starter line brought to the city be enough to pay for any expansion plans?

Anonymous said...

The streetcar tracks for the past few years have been a very good thang. If you're looking for a few things you can get some more information regarding the use of the fair range to be on duty. Why do you let them know how many people will be able to?

Anonymous said...

The Max Bus was supposed to be built on Troost first - serve the greatest number of people. The most direct route from UMKC to Union Station is Troost to Childrens hospital. There was a bus promised for Prospect -again most commuter traffic. The FouFou route for Plaza to Crown Center is the only route that the Kites ever talk about.
IS THIS AN ECONOMIC RACIST GAME??
A toy train to haul Fur Coats from lunch to lunch.

Anonymous said...

9:02: What real estate taxes? Development only comes to downtown if it's tax abated.

Anonymous said...

Yes RAMPANT FRAUD, BUT MY HUGE BAGS OF STREETCAR MONEY KEEP COMING!!! DAY AFTER DAY ARMORED CARS FULL OF STREETCAR MONEY SHOW UP AT MY SOLID GOLD JOCO MANSION!!!! I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH ALL THE MONEY I'M TAKING FROM YOU FOOLS!!!

Anonymous said...

The judges who were involved with setting up the first streetcar TDD and the subsequent lawsuit and other court hearings have moved on. One is in private practice, one has retired. Time for a new judge to get on the streetcar authority's payroll. Dave Johnson, please bring one of your t shirts to court on Sept. 15 for this latests judge.

Anonymous said...

9:07: Perhaps you could use some of it to learn Internet etiquette and how all caps is considered rude, dude.

Anonymous said...

ETIQUETTE??? FUCK YOU!!! I'M GETTING RICH OFF THE STREETCAR!!! WE ALL ARE!!! AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW ABOUT THE GIANT BAGS OF STREETCAR MONEY THAT THEY SEND ME DAILY!!! I CAN TELL IT'S STREETCAR MONEY BECAUSE THE BAGS SAY "$$$ STREETCAR MONEY $$$"!!! SEVENTY MILLION DOLLARS LAST MONTH ALONE!!! MY SOILD GOLD MANSION NEEDS A FIFTH FLOOR THANKS TO THE GIANT BAGS OF STREETCAR MONEY THAT THEY SEND ME DAILY!!!

Anonymous said...

When will downtown and midtown start paying for their sewers instead of the northland?

Anonymous said...

9:02 really thinks developers pay taxes in this city? They're all getting tax abatements and then they build overpriced rental units, that guess what? Also pay no taxes.

Anonymous said...

No more streetcar until Dave Johnson allows for an independent audit.

Anonymous said...

If streetcar is expanded, will Dave Johnson have to lease with more luxury apartments at One Power& Light with taxpayer money?

Anonymous said...

WHICH IS WHY THE HUGE BAGS OF MONEY KEEP A'COMIN!!!!!

Anonymous said...

9:07, 9:23, & 9:53 (so far) represent the best the pride of Coffeyville (now that he's gone--our loss being their gain) can muster. Doesn't trolley boy have a job or maybe a life?

Anonymous said...

Dave the Trolley Boy seems confident he can pick house-to-house which ones likely voted for it last time and eliminate those that voted against it.

Anonymous said...

Three miles either side of Main St. Main to Indiana? Main to Bell? 55th Rockhill to Union Station. Three miles either side of Main to be taxed? A lot of poor. An awful lot of poor will not be able to live in their homes. Forced out. A whole population forced out. Economic genocide. How much can you hate your own race, your own people...that much...!

Anonymous said...

The human race, right?

Anonymous said...

POOR??? WHO CARES? THE STREETCAR MONEY KEEPS POURING DOWN ON US!!! I'M RICH, RICH I TELLZ YA!!!

$$ $TREETCAR BUXZXXZZZZZXZXX $$

COME GET YOURS!!!

Anonymous said...

12:35: He's a different species.