TKC BREAKING AND EXCLUSIVE NEWS!!! KANSAS CITY ROYALS WORLD SERIES RALLY ESTIMATE OF 800K IS AN OUTRIGHT FABRICATION AND PART OF DESPICABLE DOWNTOWN PROPAGANDA EFFORT!!!
Politicians and supporters of Downtown Kansas City taxpayer subsidized development are propagating a dangerous lie with the help of sports fanboy media who don't understand the implications of the falsehood they're helping to spread.
First, let's put these misstatements in perspective:
KCTV5: Victorious Royals draw 800,000 excited fans to World Series celebration
Snark From Deadspin Is Showing: Nearly Twice As Many People As Live In Kansas City Attended The Royals' Parade
Mayor Sly James: Est. 800k people showed up
Like it or not, our TKC Blog Community has a comparative numerical analysis based on data rather than emotional hype at the behest of wretches chasing City Hall cash or campaign donations.
To wit . . .
ALMOST ONE HUNDRED YEARS AGO A SIMILAR SIZED CROWD DOCUMENTED AT 100K OCCUPIED THE SAME SPACE AS ROYALS FANS IN FRONT OF UNION STATION FALSELY CLAIMING THEIR NUMBERS CAME CLOSE TO ONE MILLION!!!
In 1921, more than 100,000 people gathered to see the supreme Allied commanders dedicate the site of the Liberty Memorial. This was the first time in history these five leaders were together in one place.
Same space, about the same swath of people . . . But back then 100K was a number that still impressed people . . .
Here's another panorama view that's actually nicer than all the fanboy mobile phone pix clogging up Facebook and making the social network pretty much useless right now . . .
Now . . .
Of course yesterday's celebration was bigger . . . But was is 800% bigger in an area that's actually more compact because of increased development in the past 100 years??? The claims of people lining the street 15 deep are also only evident at one or two intersections . . . Most of downtown was accessible by foot traffic and only a few people lined up to see the parade.
But that's not the point . . . More reasonable estimates of 250K or even 300K fans celebrating the Royals in Downtown Kansas City remain an impressive and historic achievement.
However . . .
WHAT IS DANGEROUS IS WHEN THE MAYOR, PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND MEDIA CONSPIRE TO INVENT A NUMBER THAT'S MORE THAN 300% EXAGGERATED IN ORDER TO PUSH THEIR TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED DEVELOPMENT AGENDA!!!
We talked about this propensity for statistical cheating recently when Visit KC claimed 24 million tourists visit this town every year which breaks down into an unlikely 65k a day.
And so, take a look at these pix from 1921 and then the yesterday's photos from the EXACT same location and while the crowd is somewhat bigger . . . Turning 100k into 800k is more of a political trick rather than sign of progress.
What's worse is elected officials and media playing games with numbers and engaging a shameful measuring contest shows us that their words are every bit as meaningless, suspect and undependable as most partian screeds online.
Among our politicos and "mainstream" media there's not even an inclination to check with Kansas City documents about the capacity of this location and local streets in order to see that their phony numbers are easily disproved with a quick bit of historical analysis. Like it or not, this talk of numbers is important if only because so much skewed data is now being used to justify a dirty deal wherein the local elite don't even want the public to vote before handing over millions of dollars.
Developing . . .
Hey TKC, they don't call this stuff lies anymore, they call it spin.
ReplyDeleteThat is the new way where even the worst of us sounds skilled.
Get on board!
Speaking of, the streetcar would've made this so much better.
ReplyDeleteOur mayor doesn't need to prove anything, just take his word for it. The bow tie will not be accepting questions.
ReplyDeleteDo a simple grid, if the firs crowd is 800 thousand and the 1921 crowd is estimated at 100 thousand than just superimpose those images across grids and if they don't match up that is the easiest way to prove Sly James wrong.
ReplyDeleteIt's these types of posts that really make this blog look stupid. The fabricated rage, the pseudo outrage, its painful. Overacted, over scripted.
ReplyDelete6:47: I'm not sure posts like this make the blog look stupid. A reality check should make the folks promoting the false numbers look, if not stupid, at least disingenuous.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is with lies like WMDs leading us to a never-ending war in the Middle East and a host of other fables (including that there's no inflation when what we see in our lives tells us that's a lie), government at all levels is becoming so untrustworthy as to be irrelevant to most people.
When we don't know what to believe we tend to believe nothing.
I liked the part where Jonny Gomes told us he was the "un-politically correct person."
ReplyDeleteHis distancing himself from the entire political charade was a refreshing admission.
I'm certain this post makes this blog look very stupid since no grownup in their right mind thinks people are inflating crowd estimates to "push their taxpayer subsidized development agenda."
ReplyDeleteIt feels ludicrous to even type out.
Mexcrement said yesterday he had better crowd estimates but of course they were based on mexcrement.
It was a bigger crowd than I've ever seen. Besides I got twelve chances yesterday to kick Mexcrement in the nuts.
Hard.
Repeatedly.
I don't know how many people were there. But there was about 40k between city hall and the federal court house on the parade route. I'd be happy to send you aerial pictures tony.
ReplyDeleteParade route 2.3 miles, 12,144 feet. If each person got 2 feet of space and 20 deep both sides of the street then 12,144/2 X 40 = 242,880. Seems like that would be the upward limit on the parade route. Look the KCPD and KCFD need the high numbers to justify a lot of overtime. They do the same thing at the Plaza lighting ceremony. Been going on for years, no reason to assume it stops now. Face it, our city leaders and bureaucrats can never be trusted to tell the truth.
ReplyDeleteThese are the same people who claim that 24 million tourists visit Kansas City every year. That's about as many as Paris gets, half as many as New York City, three times as many as the entire state of Hawaii.
ReplyDeleteThese elected goons and corporate shills are congenital liars. They all become very wealthy "serving" the people.
The picture does not take into account the upper end of the parade route. From the Sprint Center up to Ninth Street, then back down Oak Street. When that part of the parade was over, those people were rejected from the already stuffed Union Station area. That would have easily tripled the count at Union Station.
ReplyDeleteI would say greater number of people lined the parade route than attended the rally with little crossover. The rally crowd was already in place and the parade crowd left.
ReplyDeleteTony and his crew putting work into affirming their misery.
ReplyDeleteAnd you are surprised that you are called losers.
A win for KC and a loss for Tony.
But get up and do it again tomorrow for all the good it will do you.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
At least one person shot at 42nd and Prospect in Kansas City
ReplyDeleteBack to Reality
Maybe Sly can lead us to out of 8th place to #1 most dangerous city in America by the time his free ride ends in three and half years.
I was down there and I can confirm that there was only like 30 or 40 people there. All of them got shot or run over by the toy train. This town blows, man. I got get outta he-yer! Everything sucks and is the worst, bro!
ReplyDeleteMaybe Sprint who announced layoffs today can issue blue slips instead of pink to their local employees.
ReplyDeleteWell I suppose the next stage is the Royals threatening to leave KC if their taxes are not slashed and subsidies are not increased. That's the way things work here in Sylvester's Wonderland.
ReplyDeleteABC News had the crowd at "upwards of 200,000". I can accept that. I never take the work of local media or bloggers 'cause they are all pretty much full of shit.
ReplyDeleteMayor Sly James: Est. 800k people showed up
ReplyDeleteSylvester must have called up a developer consultant to calculate the numbers.
OOPS!!! TKC DID IT AGAIN!!!!
ReplyDeleteHe picked up that Truth Stick and clobbered Mayor James and the Downtown cheerleaders over the head repeatedly.
Those photos from 1921 are OUTSTANDING and you won't see them from local TV newsies, or the Falling Star staff, as they're both part of the HIGH TAXES/CORPORATE WELFARE/MAYOR JAMES TRIAD.
Here's local TV news anymore: over-emphasis on weather, over-emphasis on traffic, celebrity gossip, shopping, funny cat videos, and virtually NO news on local government or how your taxpayer dollars are being wasted.
A crowded football field would hold 15,000 to 20,000 persons. So if the crowd was 800,0000 that would be 40 football fields. Not to rain on anyone's parade but when our elected officials, fire and police chiefs deliberately lie about something it is disturbing. But it is more disturbing when the media repeat the claims when they should know they are false.
ReplyDeleteKCPD searching for clues in an overnight shooting near 39th and Main
ReplyDeleteYip back to reality in Sylvester's CK Land
What an asshole you are, Botello. If ypu hate it here so much, why don't you just leave.
ReplyDeleteSo when someone points out that our elected officials deliberately lie he is an asshole? Liars are good, messengers bad?
ReplyDeleteSly and his gang have been lying to the people for four and a half years. Some people know the gang's lying to them and the gang knows some people know it’s lying to them, but the gang continues doing so for the sheer delight of tormenting them.
ReplyDeleteThe gang's lemming followers are pretty much hopeless. They'll jump of a cliff when directed and at moments notice.
This is why we need Mike Burkes Hotel! So all these tourists and visitors have somewhere to stay!
ReplyDeleteYou need to find out what's in the water that makes you all such stupid assholes.
ReplyDeleteWhen Byron drives the wrong way on a one-way street, he says, "You need to find out what's in the water that makes you all such stupid assholes."
ReplyDeleteMust be. a Libtard conspiracy!
ReplyDeleteHillary coming for your guns!
Royals are going to lose!
In the argument of whose anger issues are the greatest, Tony and his Denizens always win!
You losers should look up pyrrhic victory.
People were a lot smaller back in 1921, plus they didn't count niggers as people back then so I'd have to say there were at least 750,000 people there in 1921! Yessiree!!! But of course there was a conspiraciy then too to push down the crowd estimate because they didn't want to appear to be supporting a war by golly!!! Oh I'm sure of it!!!
ReplyDeleteDamn bro... not one congratulations Royals or Kansas City, or anything?... you are a doom and gloom mammas boy
ReplyDeleteByron is occasionally right.
ReplyDeleteMisery KC.
Better than TOY TRAIN!
AKA loserville.
I am sure there were 872,153.
ReplyDeleteWhat a bunch a fing A-holes lead by the Lord of the Flies, Tony "I hate everything, so I blog" Botello.
NY calls Paco, but not Ruckus.
10:45: Maybe YOU should look up pyrrhic victory, trolley boy.
ReplyDeleteI'm just thankful that the 10 people who constantly post on here were not around downtown to be complaining, racist haters. Luckily they were in their shitty house jerking off to German gay porn.
ReplyDeleteBurn 1205.
ReplyDeleteAnd put down the gay porn.
You may or may not hate Tony, but there is NO WAY there were 800K people down there.
ReplyDeleteThis reminds of the fucking Holocaust hoax. (I can't wait for the comments for that sentence alone.)
ReplyDeleteIt's math, people. The government is literally banking on your ignorance and stupidity.
-Estimate the square feet from Union Station and edge of the crowd in the background.
-Also, estimate the square feet of the people lining both sides of Grand and other streets of the parade route.
-Determine the average size of the people. I don't know how you're going to get the data, but figure half kids and half grown-ups since everyone was out of school, too. Give them some space here and there, and don't assume they were crammed like sardines.
-I forgot to mention to count spectators viewing the parade from buildings and rooftops.
If you follow this methodology, I guarantee you that the total head count would be no more than 300k tops.
the Editor at 10:00AM wrote:
ReplyDelete"What an asshole you are, Botello. If ypu hate it here so much, why don't you just leave."
Uh...why don't you flip that argument, and ask Mayor James and the high tax cheerleaders "if you want to be a world-class city so much, why don't you guys move to NYC?"
That, Mr. Editor is the appropriate question for these times!!
p.s. the Editor sucks because he can't spell correctly. Bad Editor!
This just gives you something to bitch about. Just another insecure "want to be" writer who isn't talented, original or intelligent enough to have any of ideas of substance or enlightenment to share with the world. So to make yourself feel important and the leader of lost souls. You what to constantly tell or write to people about how terrible the world is and we are all (especially you) being deceived, taken advantaged of... You sound like a 5 year old crying because he's not getting his way. Guess what?.. No one ever promised a perfect world. People like you, who despise life so much they want to bring everyone else down to their pathetic level by bitching and complaining. Telling all that's wrong but rarely, if any, solutions.. I used to find upsetting know I'm older, I really feel sorry for you..
ReplyDeleteI don't think there were 800k people there, but WTF Tony Botello??? You hate this place so much and it burns you up that they won. I am NY native, transplant to KC and I think it's a fine city to live in. If you hate it here, why don't you find a place that will bring you more enjoyment?
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of BIG NUMBERS......Loan Officer allegedly Scammed VETs and reaped Millions
ReplyDeleteAllegedly First National Bank & Trust of Junction City Kansas aka EXCHANGE
BANK loan officer Patricia "Lynn" Devine created dozens of fraudulent loan applications, Mortgages, Notes
& HUD statements using VETS info to submit as a FHA loan and a VA loan on the same home. Some loan applications had VA case numbers some didn't for the same property.
Allegedly Ms. Devine and operatives at her bank thru corespondent lender program allegedly fleeced over $20 million dollars in scheme that rivals TAYOR BEAN WHITAKER SCHEME right out of "American Greed" TV series
Many folks that have seen documents believe that allegedly First American title operatives assisted in scheme and
helped allegedly facilitate the fraud warehousing numerous documents that have different loan
numbers for same property and creating numerous title commitments for the
same property to go with loans being sold over and over again by Ms. Devine. One of the Banks had a whopping $280 billion in assets that they were allegedly fleecing. Whose gonna miss a few million Bucks?
What makes it SO BAD friends, is Ms. Devine access to Fort Riley Military Base soldiers in Junction City Kansas.
They allowed her to do home buying seminars. Folks believe many VET and Military personnel may
have allegedly gotten scammed or lost homes to foreclosure when multiple loans were logged into
banks under a FHA & VA loan for the same property.
Let's stop bitchin' about dissent and realize that open arguments display the intelligence of participants. Suppose TKC isn't contrarian much and is mostly happy talk most of the time. See how fast that would bore. Banter in seriousness, jest or sarcasm presents occasions for bringing up possible solutions some may be seeking. TKC discourse can be cathartic at times. Verbal light-hearted jabs and vicious knockdowns can be at least entertaining, for some of us reading anyway. And who knows, away from this blog, TKC could be 180`difference. Can we allow public persona doesn't match the private in some. Uh, Rock Hudson, or Robin Williams perhaps?
ReplyDeleteI dont even know why I'm bothering to comment here. Maybe it's the fact that as much as I appreciate TKC normal local beat (internet scouring) reporting, I think he does a disservice to himself and his (my) city by being a Debbie Downer when it comes to this city's sports (sans Sporting KC). Anyway, I just wanted to point out that the KC Library link that is provided had a hyperlink of a picture of the proposed Liberty Memorial Site (ca 1920). http://www.kchistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/Montgomery&CISOPTR=622
ReplyDeleteThe description of this picture says it was taken looking SW at the corner of Main and (future) Pershing Rd. I took notice of the hill in the picture. This is the same hill that is featured in the foreground of the noted Dedication ceremony in 1921. If that's the case then the crowd in 1921 WAS much smaller than yesterday's crowd. Go check it out for yourself. The crowd yesterday extended well south of Pershing and nearly filled in the graded hill that exists today. (Which is not the same hill pictured in the 1920 proposed site or the 1921 ceremony pics)
Now I did see a falsified claim on Facebook from the KC Star saying "An estimated 800,000 people filled the entire space between Union Station and Liberty Memorial..." However, I truly believe that was a big BIG misprint and no one would argue the fact that 800,000 people would NOT fit in such a space.
I dont know how many people were in downtown KC yesterday. I know the girdlock it all caused and (having been at the parade itself) can definitely say without a doubt that spectators were an avg 7-10 deep along the route. Not including people in bldgs, on rooftops, in parking garages and elsewhere. So is 800K a lie? Maybe, but I believe it was greater than 250 or 300 and my guess would be over
500,000, but I'm no mathematician analyst. I'm just a KC Royals Fan that was proud of yesterday.
Who cares, Byron is still a disability fraud liar.
ReplyDeleteSure Tony. It's a major conspiracy by an elite group of local insiders with the interest of setting up the next election deal.
ReplyDeleteEbola soon?
Sanders back yet.
Check #1 for numb nutz.
And people take you seriously? Nice tin foil cap though.
12:54: So now you're an expert on ancient Rome AND you want your gay porn back?
ReplyDeleteWhat an asshole!
If i had known the whole damn ghetto was going to show up I would have sent in my championshit farting team to liven things up.
ReplyDeleteThis is the best forum in Kansas City. All of those other bitches would've pooped themselves before taking this criticism. Tony, I like the cut of your jib.
ReplyDeletePeople in this town have a hard time accepting the truth. It's much easier to lie and make false claims in an attempt to impress somebody you are as great as you think you are. But anybody that believes a single word that comes out a Mayor James's mouth as being the truth is somebody that should be declared a complete idiot and put into a mental health hospital.
ReplyDeleteTake the toy train for instance the biggest backers of the toy train and Power and Light district are people who don't even live in Kansas City Missouri. But they will get on the local blogs and scream and yell how great the toy train is for everybody knowing all along it will never cost them a dime or will they ever pay any personal property tax to support it.
Welcome to Kansas City Missouri where smoke and mirrors is how we do business.
Yeah, this thread his hilarious with all the mathematical geniuses who are trying so hard to "prove" that there were "only" 250,000 or so there.
ReplyDeleteBig pecs, little dick. ^^^^^^
ReplyDeleteWho gives a fuck if there were 200,000 people there or 800,000 ? What fucking difference does it make ?
ReplyDeleteOnly a self absorbed ass fucking dipshit would even be writing about it. And you bottom feeding dipshits are fighting about it.
Even the town drunk, Chuckles weighed in " damn sure wasn't 800,000 people there". Like you're stupid fucking ass could count to 800,000 Chuckles. Why don't you get back to blowing the dog and shut the fuck up.
Listening to some of you stupid fuck makes a sane person want to eat a 45. Fuck.
"What fucking difference does it make ?"
ReplyDeleteThanks for your input, Hillary.
BREAKING!!!!
ReplyDeleteMr. Flying Fuck at 6:33PM goes into a kamikaze dive, crashes and burns!!! Body incinerated.
He complains: "200,000 people there or 800,000 ? What fucking difference does it make ?"
Flying Fuck apparently can't read, as TKC explained in the headline "ESTIMATE OF 800K IS AN OUTRIGHT FABRICATION AND PART OF DESPICABLE DOWNTOWN PROPAGANDA EFFORT!!!
Politicians and supporters of Downtown Kansas City taxpayer subsidized development are propagating a dangerous lie with the help of sports fanboy media who don't understand the implications of the falsehood they're helping to spread."
^^^^^^^^^^^^ Blab Blab Blab !
ReplyDeleteObviously this discussion is somewhat important, we can't have our elected officials throwing out numbers that do not have any basis in reality. There is a big difference between 250,000 and 800,000. We should not just take the Mayor's word for it. At least Tony Botello is trying to create some critical thinking and thought on the subject. Some of you folks are just far too eager to accept the company line.
ReplyDeleteYes Jeebs, they're dumb downed lemming losers who are soon to increase courtesy of common core (devised by 'equal outcome' liberal progressives).
ReplyDeletePrivate and homeschools will be the only ones with advanced placement instruction. They both have greater appeal by the day, also.