Saturday, July 19, 2014

Kansas City Toy Train Streetcar Boundaries



Take a look at the Kansas City drawing lines for the upcoming toy train streetcar and more (hopefully) voting on whether or not to put this town on track toward bankruptcy . . .

This election covers 52 square miles and 67,000 registered voters south of the Missouri River.

The proposed district would extend from State Line east to Interstate 435 and south from the Missouri River to 51st Street between State Line and the Paseo, then along Gregory Boulevard from the Paseo to I-435. Voters living within those boundaries will see the issue as Question A on their August ballots.

Kansas City Insiders say the ballot language is sloppy, there's actually a bit of REAL opposition against this thing and midtown Kansas City biz owners don't seem convinced about the sketchy benefits but very real HIGHER TAX RATE that would only serve to drive away customers.

Developing . . .

48 Comments:

Anonymous said...

The Star article by Lynn Horsley ends with a supporter saying if this one doesn't pass, they'll come up with another one.

Anonymous said...

Vote NO.

Fuck You Sly said...

NO!

Stop Being Stupid The Answer Is said...

Vote no people

Anonymous said...

Glorioso still running around lying to neighborhood associations about this scam?

Anonymous said...

The KC Business Journal also endorses Question A: "We can’t afford to lose the war for talent, and we can’t afford to not have viable public transit in our arsenal."

Has Joseph Goebbels resurrected himself and gotten a job with the KCBJ?

Anonymous said...

Since when is a bus not public transit? Can someone please explain how a streetcar offers better transit than a bus? As soon as that happens, I'm in.

Why are they better and why did we get rid of them in favor of busses half a century ago?

Anonymous said...

Since when is a bus not public transit? Can someone please explain how a streetcar offers better transit than a bus? As soon as that happens, I'm in.

Why are they better and why did we get rid of them in favor of busses half a century ago?

Trevor Hardchargah said...

World-class talent is monitoring this situation remotely daily from their enclaves...breathlessly waiting to see if KC develops a streetcar, thusly making their entrance into town a viable option.

Come on people! We are losing talent to cities that have streetcars! Can't you see this is an emergency-level situation?

Marcus Mumford, local urban woodsman said...

Come on folks!

Let's do it for the Caleb Michael-Flies of the world!
Buses will never be good enough for these world-changers!

How you gonna keep the Calebs riding the bus once they've ridden the big-time trains of Portland!?

Anonymous said...

WTF? Run the train right up Prospect, the pride of KC? Fuck that thing will quickly become transport for crack dealers 'cause no one else is going to want to touch that trolley with a ten foot pole

Anonymous said...

The train won't go up Prospect. That's another MAX bus, which kind of makes Mensa boy's harping on buses being good enough for the poor a tad ironic, doesn't it?

Anonymous said...

Bus extension is for the poor, cable cars are for the rich moving into one power and light luxury spaces so they can watch the tourists down below snapping pictures from their balcony's.

Anonymous said...

The proposed extensions are basically funnels to suck money out of surrounding areas to pay for the downtown fiasco.

Anonymous said...

TOY TRAIN HURF DURF BECAUSE I'M EIGHT

Anonymous said...

67,000 voter most of whom do not trust City Hall anymore.

Should be interesting.

Jim Bohannon's Unvarnished Truth said...

10:51 Hardcharger isn't up to his usual smugness this morning.

Mensan still unclear on how he never foresaw a party-zone for 22 year olds serving $8 beers just isn't absolutely minting money every night of the week. Posts twitter photos of huge crowds during world cup games to paper over the failure every one else sees.

But remains smugly self-assured that this time he is right. I mean, he's super smart, right?

Anonymous said...

This map is worst than the one for the stadium sales tax increase lead by Sly. He counts on people being uninformed and unengaged.

Anonymous said...

10:51 is right.
The original Main Street TDD wasn't designed to raise enough money for the original line. It was designed to get enough votes to get the streetcar camel's nose under the tent and embark the city on a multi-hundred million dollar adventure with just 375 votes.
All the estension promises are nothing more that desperately looking for enough money to ACTUALLY pay for the original plan.
All aboard.

Anonymous said...

Game plan:

1, Start 2.2 mile line with small, riggable vote.
2. Extend with vote of densest collection of low-information voters we can identify.
3. Drag reluctant remainder of city on board, arguing that we can't let our original invesetments "go to waste" by not expanding to a full system.

Anonymous said...

Marketing:

1. Put on a beer pong extravaganza at WW1 Memorial to attract talent and millinial's to KC

Anonymous said...

Influence:

1. Send Steve Glorioso out to neighborhood meetings to assure residents the only thing opponents are trying to do is take away their constitutional right to vote.

2. Do not permit opposition to ask questions under any circumstances.

Anonymous said...

The total tonnage of economic malarkey being shoveled over the KC public these days is pretty astounding.

Anonymous said...

Streetcars nothing but outdated technology kept alive by political forces

Anonymous said...

The streetcar supporters are counting on low voter turnout - they gerrymandered this TDD to keep the people who DO vote, like Brooksiders, out of the equation so they can build more of the line. And 11:44 is absolutely correct. This streetcar is the stupidest idea Kansas City has EVER conceived, and once it loses, it's time to vote people like Sly James and Russ Johnson out of public service forever.

Abcnkc said...

I wish I could vote no on this. But I live in KC North. All I can is to educate the people I know that can vote, about the differences between this slow recreational steel wheeled bus on rails and a real Light Rail system for my hometown.

And I may vote yes on the Statewide Transportation Tax to get a new Broadway Bridge with lanes for a real Light Rail into the Northland. After the recreational street car expansion gets voted down, Jeff City may give us money to build the new Bridge a lot of us would like to see featuring light rail to our repaired International Airport.

Anonymous said...

Visit Atlanta and go for a walking tour along the streetcar route under construction so you can enjoy all the shuttered businesses and those soon to be shuttered if your want to get a real feel for "streetcar development".

Anonymous said...

Great boundaries for a small nuke. A little farther southeast would help.

Northlander said...

YES THEY WILL COME BACK WHEN THEY LOSE FOR ANOTHER VOTE. THE LAWYERS MAKE TO MUCH MONEY HELPING THE DEVELOPER THAT HAVE GOTTEN CHEAP LAND AND WANT THE CITY TO PAY FOR IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS SIDEWALKS AND CURBS AND GETTING RID OF OLD BUILDINGS ,SO THEY MAKE MORE PROFIT.
wHY DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE COME BACK 7 TIMES NOW.

Northlander said...

i WILL VOTE AGAINST NO.7 BECAUSE OF THE MONEY GOING TO THE STREETCARS AND OTHER TRANSIT,YES THE i-70 AND THE BRIDGE IS GOOD IDEA BUT NOT GIVING CITY HALL THE RIGHT TO SPEND IT ANY WAY THEY WANT. PLUS I GET TAXED EVERY TIME I GAS UP.
WHEN PEOPLE MOVE TO KANSAS BECAUSE OF HIGHER TAXES YOUR PROPERTY TAX WILL GO UP MORE TO COVER THE MONEY FOR TRANSIT.KANSAS HAS BETTER SCHOOLS,NO EARNINGS TAX,BETTER ROADS,BETTER SNOW REMOVAL,LESS SHOOTING,AND THE WATER AND SEWER TAXES DON'T GO UP 15% EVERY YEAR,OR PAY $200 AYEAR PLUS TO PAY FOR THE YELLOW JACKS TO CLEAN UP DOWNTOWN.

Anonymous said...

This silly shit is why I don't go to the River Market, Downtown, Midtown or the Plaza. The sales taxes are ridiculous and they're only gonna get worse.

Pretty soon, it's gonna get to the point that every time I need to go to the grocery store or Home Depot or whatever, that I'm gonna have to make sure that the place I'm spending my money isn't in K.C.

I see the population of K.C. dropping below 400k in less than 10 years. Sly will be out of office and living in Joco and the hipsters and hoodrats will be the only ones left to pay taxes.

Anonymous said...

"We can’t afford to lose the war for talent, and we can’t afford to not have viable public transit in our arsenal." KCBJ

Probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen published.

Anonymous said...

They are already laying track at 3rd and McGee. A lot of dirt work already completed for the maintenance facility.

Anonymous said...

We DO NOT WANT A STREET CAR!!!!

Anonymous said...

Yes they had to remove some illegals camping on the lot also to make way for the Kite Singelton "People who say rubber-tire technology does not spur economic development are full of shit" toy train maintenance facility.

Anonymous said...

"People who say rubber-tire technology does not spur economic development are full of shit"

They should call the building that. Put it up in big letters on the roof.

Kite Sez!!!!

Anonymous said...

You guys forgot how K.C. works.

Let's say the ABC Corporation was to build a mega-store in the K.C. Metro area.

They look at K.C. and the burbs and find a piece of land in OP or Lee's Summit where they want to build this humongous store. They get their people on it and submit a proposal to build, along with seeking permits to do so.

All of this gets discussed in public by that city's Mayor and Council. Citizen's of the city also get involved and speak their mind about the proposal as well.

Time goes by and the city tells them that they like to do it, but there are parts of the proposal that the city doesn't like and there's also a large percentage of the population of the city that's opposed to it. So the answer is no.

The ABC Corporation then goes to K.C. with the exact same proposal and they are told to discuss it over dinner at the American Restaurant with the Mayor and others, with ABC picking up the tab.

The ABC Corporation is told in clear terms that K.C. would love to help out, but that they will have to grease a few palms first just to get their proposal in front of the council.

The council meets, talk about it for awhile, takes no action and moves on. The ABC reps are besides themselves. They're like WTF! And Glorioso says, I told you. Grease me and them and you'll get your permits.

Later that week the ABC reps are called in for a meeting with Sly, who says, no one builds in this town without a substantial contribution to various bank accounts.

The ABC guys get the drift. They give up a large sum of money and the permit process flies along at warp speed and right before the permits are issued, the Mayor comes back and says that they need to grease a few more palms to get the permits. They do it and get their permits to build.

A month before work begins, ABC is told that they will have to hire POS Construction Co, if they don't want their permits pulled. They hire them. They are also told of the the TIF and PIAC programs and if they want in they gotta feed the kitty. They do that too and get their TIF.

The next thing you know the store is open and you stop in and spend $100. On your way out you check the receipt and you find that the total sales tax is 15% and you never shop there again.

Anonymous said...

To add insult to injury taxpayers will enjoy the added benefit of seeing the toy train route plowed before anything else get's touched in the area by our marvelous snow removal and street clearing system.

Anonymous said...

One reason why planners look to the past for solutions is that they can’t accurately foresee the future. So they pretend that, by building ancient modes of transportation, they will have the same effects on cities that they had when they were first introduced. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Planners do NOT know what the hell they are doing, so these worthless rail empire building plans are no more than extremely expensive shots in the dark. And one thing we do know for sure is that these rail boondoggles are certain to fail. In a world that is increasingly decentralizing, building super expensive, inflexible transit lines to a increasingly irrelevant central city is a ridiculous proposition. Happily, people are beginning to fight back, though.

Anonymous said...

Pretty much zero support in our neighborhood. A couple Kool Aid drinkers at best.

Anonymous said...

So true, 5:29. No matter how much these "build it and they will come" hipsters want to wish it true, jobs and and homes are all over the metro. Mensa boy, who lives in the north boonies, should certainly be aware of that.

Anonymous said...

Proposed TDD is nothing but a strip mining operation designed to loot taxpayers and citizens out of their disposable income, life savings, etc, etc, etc.

Hideous

Anonymous said...

Dear Grandma and Grandad, thank you for making the valiant effort over these past decades to achieve a measure of self-reliance in your dotage and for allowing us jacks-in-office full use of your savings in the meanwhile as both a means to fulfill our political ambitions and as a way to act out our own economically-illiterate and usually illiberal prejudices at the expense of you and yours.

City Clowncil

Anonymous said...

OMG subruban FREAKOUT!!!!


Change is scary, make it STOP

waaaaahhhhhhh


"We" don't wnat a silly toy train berndoggle, we want a wildly expensive light rail to the airport that no one uses throug a place no one lives, past "neighbrorhoods" that were built for only cars!

We are so smart kc!!!!

Cherry DeJeans for mayor! Then everyone can build houses on city rights of way and whine about it!

Don't let anyone VOTE! Because everyone agrees with me, just take my word for it.

Pls. send money uncle REX, I need haz more bullboards boondggoddle.

Im mad!

Anonymous said...

OMG subruban FREAKOUT!!!!

Looks that way, northlandnebraska mensabot.

Anonymous said...

yea, lets connect Prospect to downtown/midtown via light rail... SMART

Anonymous said...

Fun Fact -- All the smart people have already moved out of KCMO. Nothing but Democrats left.