KANSAS CITY TOY TRAIN EQUAL TIME: STREETCAR CHEERLEADERS DISCOURAGE DEBATE OVER HIGHER SALES TAXES!!!
Advocates of the Kansas City toy train streetcar have discouraged any critical questions about higher taxes and sketchy economic development promises. Nevermind that lavish Kansas City expense on the P&L District never lived up to the same kind of hype.
Recently, a bit of pro-streetcar tax propaganda seemed rather entertaining, kind of dictatorial and closed minded . . . Here's the argument pro-streetcar forces are making which seeks to crush any dissent before it starts:
"The argument for the sales tax is the same as any citywide election. Does the presence of streetcar — and the resulting increase in transit ridership and economic development — benefit the city as a whole? The answer is yes.
"In short, the argument over the benefits of streetcars is over. The question for KC voters now is: Where to expand?"
Sadly, this myopic insistence that there's no arguing with pro-streetcar supporters reminds us that they only have the support of a handful of voters in gerrymandered districts. Worse still, the argument for more regressive taxes on po'folk to support a hipster Crossroads party is not only repulsive but probably racist. Still, it's important to get a close look at the messages broadcast from the pro-streetcar side the discourage voter debate and have already sought to circumvent the Democratic process in order to secure consulting contracts and tax breaks.
Developing . . .
staubio told me to tell you to shut up!
ReplyDeleteAnd as the financial realities and empty promises become more evident to the public, the desperation of the cheerleaders and the elected folks who have been stampeded into this folly will become more and more shrill
ReplyDeleteWithout a greatly enlarged taxing district, even the Main Street line is not financially possible. The original TDD was designed to pass the first vote, not as an area that could generate eonough money to pay for the project.
The mad scramble has begun.
That's David Jackass Johnsons site.
ReplyDeleteAnd if he thinks this is over, he's in for a seriously rude awakening.
"Hey, Pat, wassup man, it's Tony...yeah, hits are pretty low today, got any not news on streetcar stuff to ghost write for me? Oh, Dan does all that now...haha, that's right I guess he doesn't have anything else to do, haha...yeah, I tried a race bait peice on plaza shit again...no I ran it twice...thin even for me, haha...okay, I'll call Dan then, haven't done a streetcar thing in a couple days...sure, sure, tell him hi from me...oh, really, he said that! Awesome! Yeah it was my lowest click through but after we just started the cut/paste approach it seemed to work better. Oh yeah, lots of comments...ip addresses? Well that only like 6 or 7, most from kansas, haha, but boy does it look busy! Haha, yeah, I know...don't worry, I know they read it, and it really seems like it's a bunch of people against it now, hahaha! Later man. Beard looks great bro! Keep it trimmed like pussy, bro! Holla!"
ReplyDeleteRude awakening.....
ReplyDeleteHahahhahgahaha. Okay, dr. Evil! Pretty ominous.
You guys have had a strong of rude awakenings, lately. In fact, you haven't won one yet. You're in for another one august 6th, when the TDD passes 55-45 and your bosses find another group of citizens to work against.
The appeal process is open till June 15. Newly discovered evidence can come into the picture that is always a possibility.
ReplyDeleteThe streetcar crew is pretty sloppy when it comes to keeping their "tracks covered".
ain't you kind of a Koch Brothers cheerleader? What's the difference?
ReplyDeleteSomething snapped in the Brookside Versus Kansas City Streetcar Authority battle and a lot of people around KC including the media sensed it. This ominous twang got the attention of people big time. The truth is out now. Everyone knows this is potentially a billion dollar boondoggle.
ReplyDeleteNewly discovered "evidence"
ReplyDeleteHahaha.
The antis haven't presented 1 peice of evidence YET. Any evidence would be newly discovered for you guys. Have show me doctor up a new Cato "editorial" and trot it out again...just make sure you don't tell your 16 "neigborhood" activists to repeat the "undue unjust they stole sewer money for sewers" mantra again. Didn't work so well last time. Maybe you should try the one about "brookside doesn't want it" or "brookside feels bullied" or "don't let black people as midtowners vote in decisions we feel like we should make for them since"
Maybe you can demand another court hearing where a parade of white elderly people tell a Hispanic judge what's fair for east siders and midtowners and why they should get to vote for themselves.
Hahaha. Sore losers stay losing.
STFU staubio
DeleteSupporters should look at the bright side. They will get their two mile toy train for bar hopping and bragging rights and they'll pick up the tab for it. Citizens outside that downtown TDD are not interested in paying for that or any expansions to nowhere it's that simple.
ReplyDeleteThis streetcat thing stinks and it looks like our mayor just wants to give handouts for votes. We are "on track" to become Detroit!
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know how much money spent to date on the Main Street folly?
ReplyDeleteStreetcar supporters will get slaughtered in this election.
ReplyDeleteThis isn't going to be a 2012 word of mouth "mail in election" managed by a couple amateurs from Kansas and Nebraska.
Poem for Delusion and Knee Jerk Reactions
ReplyDeleteBy p. tooley
Echo chamber.
Everyone agrees with me and the 7 people "from" brookside
Every poll and peice of data says otherwise, but I only believe what I decide to believe
LOL man are you deluded 7:56. Which building are you leaping from when the TDD gets voted down I want to be there to watch. Then applaud.
ReplyDeleteWord of mouth mail in election that had higher participation than an off year primary.
ReplyDeleteSound like you guys have a great campaign plan.
With opposition like you, this barely needs supporters. Have fun with your Facebook page and your preaching to the choir.
Remember when you guys decided to "kill the water bonds" that passed 80-20?
Bwahahaha!
Show me out of touch!
OH MY!!! WHAT AN ATROCIOUS ARGUMENT!!!
ReplyDelete"Does the presence of FillInTheBlank — and the resulting increase in FillInTheBlank use and economic development — benefit the city as a whole? The answer is yes.
"In short, the argument over the benefits of FillInTheBlank is over. The question for KC voters now is: Where to expand?"
Using this ILLOGICAL and SOPHOMORIC basis for an argument over public tax hikes, let's consider some possibilities for other FillInTheBlanks:
A) Subsidized grocery stores.
B) Free/reduced rate memberships to warehouse club shopping.
C) Fleet vehicle purchasing for KCMO residents.
D) KCMO residents eligible for city employee health plans.
E) Low-interest rate home/auto/business loans for KCMO residents.
Of course, all of the above, and countless more, would be things that most residents could actually benefit from, so city leaders have NO plan to implement such ideas!
Please add your own FillInTheBlank below.
Change makes me feel uncomfortable!
ReplyDeleteMake it stop!
Or I'll rage on the internet about it! I'm serious!!!!
The streetcar is a great idea! Honestly. Now prioritize it accordingly with the rest of the city’s issues. Oh it’s at the bottom? Go figure.
ReplyDeleteCities can only do one thing at a time people!
ReplyDeleteIf we build a transit system like very other city our size in our country, we won't be able to stop violence, have a fire department, pave roads or build sewers!
Wake up people!
If we stop the streetcar all those thing a will be perfect! It's reactionary magic!
all aboard for the folly trolly...
ReplyDeleteHere is my prediction.
ReplyDeleteTDD
No 185,000
Yes 500
What would be friggin news would be, Tony NOT sniveling about light rail fro 48 hours.
ReplyDeleteWho wants to start the pool?
There aren't 190,000 registered voters you fucking moron.
ReplyDeleteThis is why you guys have failed and will fail. Because your are dumb, uniformed, and childish.
Also cause you are wrong.
Tonys Johnson County will do what the puppet masters say do, when they say to do it.
ReplyDeletePretty awesome how smart all you amateur internet suburban planners are!
ReplyDeleteSmarter than every other city in America! That's old KC, that's why it's so successful while folly boondoggle toy places like Minneapolis and Denver omg epic fail !!!!!
STFU staubio
Deleteyeah this one's got it all. name calling, misinterpretations, lies and racism.
ReplyDeletethe four horsemen of the TKC dorkpocalypse.
TDD won't fly. It will go the way of the medical research tax. Into the dustbin of history.
ReplyDeleteMethinks the toy train boys are getting their panties in abunch tonight. sly must have scared them with the recent polling numbers. Hey, David & Staubio your contract is about to get cut!
ReplyDeleteThere are no poll numbers. However, there are 20 years of elections data...
ReplyDeleteGuess what the people I the TDD (and brookside) always vote for?
Have fun in Facebook. KC is leaving you and your 1980s era priorities behind. Just like the rest of the country did 15 years ago.
I hear Sedalia is nice though.
Pop a couple tranquilizers 8:47 and come back when you calm down and can actually makes sense.
ReplyDeleteThere's 225000 registered inside the KCMSD. So 120000 is probably about right. 50% turnout off that.
ReplyDeleteI'm giving it a very tight 51% yes. If it was just down main I would bet it would fail, but the majority of the project is on the east side and that changes things.
Correction, that's multiple districts inside KC.
ReplyDeleteSo there's maybe 60-80k inside the TDD
Way less than 180000
to 7:52
ReplyDeleteit's coming in at about $114 million right now. the pre-contract guess was $105 million. to be only 8% over is extremely good when the number is a pre-engineering guess
STFU staubio
Delete50% turnout?
ReplyDeleteOff year. Primary. Only statewide race is auditor.
Try 20%, generously.
Bottom line TDD passes. Tax might fail though.
I don't think it will pass. The real issues are at the forefront now now that were not present during the first election. People are getting pissed off at being ignored and not listened to by this administration. Being fed hype while reality rears it's ugly head in their faces daily.
ReplyDeleteLife is getting more expensive and it isn't going to get any cheaper. That is a real big deal to people.
If they are smart they'll move the tax elections to April.
ReplyDeleteHey it's only a penny, one cent out of your pocket streetcars are affordable!
ReplyDelete(Smirk)
You dipshits should be worried about that 1 cent transportation tax so the kc and StL can subsidize truckers and ozark welfare rednecks.
ReplyDeleteTalk about missing the forest for the trees.
Where the Facebook page for that bullshit that doesnt benefit us at all.
"Hey, pat, Tony again....haha yeah, got me all stirred up, 40 comments,bro...what's that, oh yeah, tell him thanks for the mad hits help, hahaha...yeah, if somebody pulls the ips they'll know, but dan uses the onion router, right, so he's safe, some the others are pretty fucking retarded bro, but really it's just like the same 5 people pretending to be who they're not...yep, so awesome bro, thanks again, let's run another one tomorrow. Never gets old!"
ReplyDeleteThey lost big time in Brookside. Let's hope they loose the elections.
ReplyDeleteIt is time to remember and to unelect these sonzabitches.
ReplyDeleteThe only people who "lost big time in brookside" are the actual residents, who let a small minority steal our right to vote.
ReplyDeleteAnd here ladies and gentlemen, at 2:06 AM, is the most meaningful comment on this post.
DeleteIf the clever supporters of this fiasco are depending on votes from the east side to carry the day, a couple questions are in order:
ReplyDelete1. How can anyone possibly think that burdening east side residents with additional taxes for anything is a good idea?
2. How much money is going to change hands to support a "get out the vote" camapaign, where is it coming from, and who's getting it?
The fake support for the streetcar gets more delusional and sleezier all the time.
But there's no problem finding folks who will sell out their east side neighbors for a few bucks.
What kind of world are we living in where city council approves a TDD that disenfranchises Brookside voters and the streetcar supporters in Brookside are upset with their neighbors for vocally voicing their opinions?
ReplyDeleteNow you know how Northland residents feel; they were NEVER considered for voting on this issue. If you're upset, don't take it out on your neighbors, take it out on City Hall.
The TDD is a mess and I can't make any predictions regarding the turnout because there are way too many variables. The fact that the city cut out Brookside/Waldo leads me to believe that they're worried it is going to be a close election, and they're doing everything they can to eliminate opposition.
Looks like Mensa boy either got high last night or couldn't get a date. Or maybe both. For a while he was talking to himself. At this rate of going crazy, he'll be giving someone a nipple in a box ala Ginsberg on "Mad Men."
ReplyDeleteYou need to looks up the word disenfranchise before you use it again.
ReplyDeleteBrookside got drawn out because the only reason they were in at all is because the trolley track right of way made a line in brookside more feasible, but the return on investment is more marginal the further you get down the line. Wasting money combatting the fear/uncertainty/doubt tactics and lies of the opposition, especially with its outside funding source, made it a bridge to far. So they got drawn out if the taxing district that they were inserted in at the last minute ( because people in te neighborhood wanted a streetcar), and thus they don't get to vote on it. Not getting a vote on taxes you don't have to pay anyway is not what disenfranchisement means, no matter what Sherry told you to say.
Brooksid-Waldo got cut from the District because the StreetCar pimps figured that the NO votes in Brookside would take the whole thing down. They think they can sneak this by the 5% who vote on the East Side--just a bunch of cynical grifters feeding at the KC trough!!
ReplyDeleteThese clowns and charlatans had literally ZERO Opposition during the 2012 farce - mail in vote that started this whole headache and fiasco.
ReplyDeleteThings have definitely changed since then. Big time.
Best part was when Armour Hills residents discovered their Neighborhood Association President was in cahoots with David "The Liar" Johnson's crew.
ReplyDeleteGunnar Hand stopped showing up at the meetings at that point to avoid being lynched by his own neighbors.
LMAO
Here's a problem with the streetcar. The streetcar plan is Russ Johnson's vision/plan. As was making it free to ride. Question: When has Russ Johnson had a good idea or plan?
ReplyDeleteBut...but...but he's in Mensa! How dare anyone question him????
ReplyDeleteI'm intrigued what changed from 2008 to 2014 in Brookside and Waldo.
ReplyDelete60%+ voted yes in those areas in 2008 for a train that didn't even get close to the neighborhood for a much more expensive plan (it turned down Cleaver or Volker)
and now all of a sudden the neighborhood was against it?
Oh, I don't know, 1:17. It may have been the potential loss of the trail. Possibly it was the added property taxes for those who live within a half mile of the proposed route. Maybe it was because the MAX--a superior alternative to fixed rail--wasn't in service in 2008. Maybe it was that people didn't want to have to put up with the construction hassle or the noise of the streetcars once they were there. It could have been almost anything.
ReplyDeletetacky stack em pack em development, misuse and abuse of eminent domain. . . the list goes on and on I bet.
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