Friday, April 05, 2013

QUOTES FROM LAST NIGHT'S DOWNTOWN LIBRARY DEBATE REGARDING LOCAL CONTROL OF THE KANSAS CITY POLICE!!!



The Citizens Association sponsored what is likely the most important political discussion we've had all year in Kansas City.

Here's what's most important . . .

Gauging public response and even according to moderator Dave Helling . . .

KANSAS CITY RESIDENTS SEEM TO OVERWHELMINGLY OPPOSE LOCAL POLITICAL CONTROL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT!!!

Here are just a few choice quotes from the discussion . . .

City Councilman Ed Ford: “What is it about Kansas City that makes us incapable of self-governing?”

Steve Glorioso: "Given the opportunity, over time, we see that Kansas City always votes for direct Democracy."

Former KCPD Chief Jim Corwin: "The community is the police, the police are the community. Kansas City needs to be informed about the choice the confronts them."

Former police board president Karl Zobrist: “You cannot put a price on integrity. This structure has served our city effectively for 70 years. Once you give this system up, you will not get it back."

There were a lot of comments from the crowd and former police officers but Councilman John Sharp provided the most insight into the current state of municipal government and police relations.



Councilman John Sharp: "Now, more than at any other time time in local history, we have better communication and cooperation with our police department."

Again, the crowd seemed skeptical of local control . . .



And the background that we discovered by attending this discussion is THE POLICE PENSION ISSUE REGARDING LOCAL CONTROL ISN'T REALLY ON THE TABLE AND WILL BE QUICKLY SACRIFICED AT THE ALTAR OF POLITICAL REALITY . . . Behind the scenes, Kansas City elected officials want to redistribute reduce "reform" police pensions and that's a big part of the push for local control. KCPD wants no part of this move. A realization by voters that we're mainly talking political control and not any structural changes is important so that well-informed voters might realize the real nature of this effort.

34 Comments:

Anonymous said...

I just love the self-important NIGGER, with the blue hat, on the first row. Is he/she just too wonderful to remove the hat indoors??

Anonymous said...

Yeah, that criticism is really important because you have such great manners?

Idiot.

chuck said...

The destruction of the social contract by way of a growing demographic dumbed down liberal legislation which provides cradle to grave sustenance in conjunction with mass immigration of cultures whose antithesis is the Judeo/Christian ethos has rendered democracy nothing more than a system of arrogation by the Fed, State and Local government of monies from workers to no workers.

The addition of a narrative that teaches that same demographic entitlement based on lies, deciet and legerdemain produuces a malevalent bedrock of hate that adds a violent impetus which is justified and encouraged by the MSM, Hollywood and an ever growing culture of ignorance.

Democracy is fucin dead.

chuck said...

Fuck Steve Gloriously fucked in his ass.

Tom Wolfe said...

There is one thing only in America that counts in the end.

The color of your skin.

Don't believe it?

97% of Blacks voted for a black man.

BACK TO BLOOD!!!!

Anonymous said...

Democracy is dead.

Anonymous said...

KC is dead

elBryan said...

I said it before, the minute that Kansas City has control of police pensions, the retired officers in this town will be paying for #kcstreetcar.

c.d. george said...

Now you know how the NATIVE AMERICANS felt about 150 years ago

Anonymous said...

you are a idiot

chuck said...

8:07

Sure, lets return, all of us, to the Hobbsesian mightmare of predation, to a coup counting aboriginal stone age culture that celebrates violence, death, misogyny and lives in the fuckin forrest scrounging out meals and chucking spears at buffalo.

Oh, thats right, we are.

Anonymous said...

Councilman John Sharp: "Now, more than any other time time local history, we have better communication and cooperation with our police department.". Then the should be no need for local control! Why change what is apparently working so well?

Anonymous said...

A bunch of self important assholes talking about how to divide up the pie. Citizens Association is anything but.

Anonymous said...

Manners in a public place are certainly more important than those on a useless blog.

b.ruth said...

Hey Chuck... did you happen to hang out at the Bull Finch Inn wearing a postal carriers uniform during the 80's?

Anonymous said...

Yes, and the sun rises during the day and falls at night, Mr. Obvious.

Kevin Costner said...

Chuck IS the "Postman".

Hyperblogal said...

"What is it that keeps Kansas City from being able to govern ourselves">>>> millions spent on two houses on Beacon HIll, $15,000 check that vanishes, Streetcars created out of mist, raiding bus tax funds for misty streetcars, wasting 1.2 billion dollars on a new terminal that no one wants, tearing down historic structures for spite, granting tax benefits for apartment construction in an area with 95% occupancy. I could go on you know.

chuck said...

Hyperblogal is dead on the money.

Check out the RUCKUS show below.

Kemper brings the weight with facts, extrapolations and logic with respect to Tony's "Toy Train" and it is beyond ugly.

The comments by Yael, Gwen and Mary are affective, puerile pathetic pandering to the current politcal elite and wanna be movers and shakers that are bereft of any sustaining evidence of the need for this preposterous catastrophe.

Kemper kills 'em.

Anonymous said...

When the city council steals from the police pension what then? If the city gains control of the police department, you will see an exodus from this department so that senior officers can keep whatever money they contributed to their pensions. The FOP needs to get on top of this. Make the same deal that St. Louis did, and protect our pension no matter what. City control is inevitable, you have to protect your members future and livelihood from the city council, and you need to do it now.

Anonymous said...

The FOP is worthless. Lemon is working behind the scenes for local control with KCPD board member Pelofsky, while at the same time telling the rank and file he's against local control. Lemon is in way over his head.

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised Phillip Yelder, the keeper of peoples rights wasn't there fighting the right for people to have control over City Government agencies

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Anonymous said...

NIGGER forgot what he was sayin'...

Anonymous said...

I'm drinking a belgian dubbel I brewed a few weeks ago. Not bad. Not bad at all. A touch on the dry side, and could use perhaps a bit more malt.

It's not the best beer in the world, but at 8% abv, It Works Every Time.

Anonymous said...

John Sharp died today.

Anonymous said...

What did 2:17 say to get censored? You let N-word guy spew his vile at will, so not sure what would cause a comment to get deleted.

Anonymous said...

You're right. We had a great thing here.

Anonymous said...

Local control is the only way to go.

Anonymous said...

Corwin quote is priceless since he ruined kcpd.

Anonymous said...

Kansas City already is presently under local control when four (4) area Senators recommend police commission nominees to the governor. The governor does not appoint without consent of the (4) area senators.

84.360. The governor of the state of Missouri, by and with the consent of the senate, shall appoint the four commissioners provided for in section 84.350, and one commissioner shall be appointed for a term of one year; one commissioner shall be appointed for a term of two years; one commissioner shall be appointed for a term of three years; one commissioner shall be appointed for a term of four years. Their successors shall each be appointed for a term of four years, and said commissioners shall hold office for their term of appointment and until their successors shall have been appointed and qualified. In case of a vacancy in said board from any cause whatever, it shall be filled by appointment for the unexpired term, in the same manner as in the case of original appointments. The governor shall issue commissions to the persons so appointed, designating the time for which they are appointed in case the appointment is to fill an unexpired term occasioned by death, resignation or any other cause whatever, and whenever the term of office of any commissioner expires, the appointment of his successor shall be for four years.

Anonymous said...

Kansas City is presently under local control when four (4) area Senators recommend police commission nominees to the governor. The governor does not appoint without consent of the (4) area senators.

84.360. The governor of the state of Missouri, by and with the consent of the senate, shall appoint the four commissioners provided for in section 84.350, and one commissioner shall be appointed for a term of one year; one commissioner shall be appointed for a term of two years; one commissioner shall be appointed for a term of three years; one commissioner shall be appointed for a term of four years. Their successors shall each be appointed for a term of four years, and said commissioners shall hold office for their term of appointment and until their successors shall have been appointed and qualified. In case of a vacancy in said board from any cause whatever, it shall be filled by appointment for the unexpired term, in the same manner as in the case of original appointments. The governor shall issue commissions to the persons so appointed, designating the time for which they are appointed in case the appointment is to fill an unexpired term occasioned by death, resignation or any other cause whatever, and whenever the term of office of any commissioner expires, the appointment of his successor shall be for four years.

Anonymous said...

Gotta agree. Lemon is a complete fucking idiot. Still cant' believe he was voted in as Vice President of the FOP a while back. He's fucked plenty of Officer's over through the years.

Anonymous said...

When KC can handle trash and sewers then they might want to bring up running the cop shop