TKC BREAKING AND EXCLUSIVE NEWS!!! IMPORTANT PUSHBACK ON CONTROVERSIAL "BAN THE BOX" KANSAS CITY FELONY FORGIVENESS CITY COUNCIL EFFORT!!!
The AWESOME TKC BLOG COMMUNITY broke news on the Kansas City felony forgiveness effort weeks ago and updated with more specific info this week.
Now, Councilman Jermaine Reed wants to make life easier for felons applying for jobs at City Hall.
However . . .
TAKE A LOOK AT AN IMPORTANT PERSPECTIVE FROM KANSAS CITY NEIGHBORHOOD ADVISORY COUNCIL REP. THOMAS ALBER WHO MAKES A STRONG CASE AGAINST THE "BAN THE BOX" EFFORT!!!
Remember that we've talked to Chief Alber before and he's rather progressive when it comes to community policing efforts.
More background . . . Chief Alber even has an action figure designed in his likeness:
But for reals . . . Chief Alber makes some IMPORTANT POINTS regarding public safety and liability that haven't been part of this discussion so far.
It's important to take note of this ALTERNATIVE PERSPECTIVE regarding Kansas City "Ban The Box" felony forgiveness that's gaining momentum in Kansas City.
Check it:
From Thomas R. Alber
There is proposed legislation from 3rd District Councilman Jermaine Reed called “Ban the Box” you may find disturbing and it is gaining support form other council members!
I believe a blanket policy to “not ask about previous criminal history” places citizens, the community and the city at risk.
Can you imagine the outcome of a lawsuit if a known and/or convicted offender was sent by the city (or city organization) somewhere and they victimized a person on city time or if they met a victim through the course of their work?
A blanket policy such as this is not good business and fails the “common sense” test at every level. I do not believe that a conviction should be an automatic disqualifier to employment however; a multitude of factors must be examined such as; the nature of the offense, the time from conviction and the nature of the position. All of these should be scrutinized on a case-by-case basis. I believe a blanket policy to “just not ask” in some cases be considered “negligent hiring practice”
Please see: Negligent Hiring, Negligent Retention, Supervision and Training, Negligent Entrustment and Vicarious Liability
I am not opposed to giving someone a second chance and we should probably not be concerned with the person convicted of joy riding in 1968 however, these issues would be properly addressed in departmental hiring policy, job requirements, and job descriptions not legislative action.
Thomas R. Alber
SW Regional Representative
Kansas City Neighborhood Advisory Council
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ban the box might help Reed among some of his most strident constituents but generally I don't think it's a popular move.
This country is SO fucked.
The idea of city officials even discussing this intitiative seriously is disgusting.
Once again.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/03/end_the_madness_at_the_eeoc.html
That's part of crime and PUNISHMENT. You do the crime, you take the PUNISHMENT. It's why felons can't vote, etc. That used to be taught in grade school. If you don't screw up, you'll not have to ever worry about such things.
We need to make Thomas R. Alber the next Chief of POLICE in KCMO! Ba-Bye Darylicious..... And take your counterpart Jabba the Hut wit you.
They should ask about criminal history but forbid its use as a disqualifying element in hiring decisions. Don't Ask-Don't Tell policies as applied to any personnel decision only perpetuates lies.
"It's why felons can't vote"
In Missouri, felons can vote after they have ended their probation successfully, unless the felony involves crimes related to elections.
7:02- That's Jabba the Hundley?
I think there are already enough criminals on the City Hall payroll. We shouldn't be making it easier to add more.
Well with Alber at least there is some hope this idiot idea that Reed has can get shot down.
How much money does the City already spend supporting offender job training and placement programs through other agencies like FEC, LISC, LINC, and the alphabet soup of other support agencies and programs? If those other programs work, why does the City need to establish its own program for direct employment? Can't the City just continue in its support of those existing programs? And if they don't work, why spend any more time, money or breath even discussing it?
Jermaine Reed is an idiot.
Because 7:15 you have all these idiots in city hall and in all other areas of government, who feel that all those who don't want to work and all those who break the law should have more rights and free things than us working while obey the law citizens do.
Walk with the wise and become wise, for a companion of fools suffers harm.
Bad company corrupts good character.
You can't fix this shit.
The changing demographics in America dictate the gradual, but ever increasing descent into a dystopian sea to sea Detroit.
Detroit will actually be a vacation spot for those with enough cash. The rest of the country will resemble Haiti and South Africa.
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/south-africas-hell-on-earth/#.UUmNKQmE9uQ.twitter
You know South Africa Don't ya? The "Rainbow Nation".
It is astonishing how far, in such a short period, the bar has fallen.
We are "Dumbed Down" to a cartoon of what we once were.
Disgusting.
Felons are considered high risk job applicants for a reason. If they have shown they will break the laws society has put in place, what makes you think they'll follow silly little work rules?
Doesn't the threat of a felony conviction and the shitty life that goes along with it actually serve as a deterrent to crime?
no
Future City employees-in-training....
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/03/22/4136571/police-ga-infant-killed-while.html
Mayer Derron Black will make this man a very best KC Chef of Police. You will be happy to vote for Derron Black.
"The shitty life that goes along with it" is actually creates repeat offenders.
3/22/13, 6:58 AM
What used to be taught in grade school is a big part of the problem. Choose reality.
Being a felon means very few will even look at your qualifications or even what the crime was committed or the circumstances.
Scenario: You have your CCW. You are trying to exit I-70 but a car cuts you off/won't let you in the exit lane. So you go across the viaduct and make a U-turn.
A KCK spots you and stops you for a minor traffic infraction (taillight is out).
Since you are carrying, you tell the officer you have a weapon when you hand him your papers & CCW-permit.
Your are arrested for carrying a concealed weapon. Maybe the ammo you have is legal in MO but illegal in KS.
If you have a lot of money, you can be exonerated. But the average Joe is going to be convicted.
It happens, happened to someone I know back East.
Also if you are arrested anymore, you will be charged with the crime with the most time involved.
So you plead to a lesser charge rather than take the chance on fighting it because of the cost of an attorney.
But to say a person can't be asked about their criminal record is just stupid. Eliminating the box on the application process but allowing it if you are chosen as a candidate would help those felons who have an atypical conviction?
chuck, I'd be interested on your thoughts. There are decent people who have made bad decisions. They will never, ever get an interview or be considered.
Put the problem in the same category of letting violent felons out of prison so you can look up people for possession of marijuana.
You make good points Orphan.
I am always, always concerned with violent felons.
Not pot, and misdemeanors.
Your query has made me think that there indeed should be qualifiers for the "box".
I do think that an employer has the right to know if his prospective employee was engaged in fraud or theft.
Violence and the threat of violence in the workplace is all too common in this new and liberal America.
It really doesn't matter what you or I think, this one will solve itself in my opinion.
The city will probably get this through and then, in fairly short order, the city will have to settle out of court for some fuckin thug puke beating the fuck out of some lady for "mean mugging" and "dissing" him in the coffee room.
Read the article I posted.
It is fuckin crazy how much the fed govt hates Americans.
Jermaine Reed must be trying to suck up to Clinton and the Bishop.
They've already done their punishment, that's the point. If you keep them unemployable, what options are open to them, other than crime? Yeah, it's easy to make policy based on emotions like anger and spite, but it's bad policy. Good policy would be to find employment for people coming out of prison, so as to keep them out of prison. That benefits them, and it benefits society at large. Plus, it'll make Klan idiots like Chuck and N-word guy so pissed off, maybe they'll stroke out and die. Cherry on top!
8:20
Here is your scary, scary KKK story of the day!!!
http://www.ksla.com/story/21671602/charges-filed-in-winnsboro-burning-hoax
The only cherry you need to worry about is when Chaz Bono mounts you with his new dick.
8:20. Should go comfort the relatives of the dead, dying and wounded over in Brookside.
Maybr sing a little Kumbaya in Intensive Care.
A Marine killed himself & two others. Where's the link for that Chuck? The white boy who wore a tee-shirt with the name 'Killer' on it to his trail. Where's the link?
There is little difference between a criminal & a police man. They have the same psychological profile. Look at this man's picture. He looks like a thug to me.
Oh yes, the obligatory homophobic remark. Since you're a dwarf, you'd be easy to rape.
The fucker looks insecure in his standing as an adult and probably in denial over why he likes to shower at the gym. He has to look so, so tough.
Here is the link that counts you stupid fuck.
It's in Pie Chart form since I question you ability to conceptualize.
http://projects.wsj.com/murderdata/?mg=inert-wsj#view=all&w=f
Prioritze.
If you know me, then fuckin bring it cunt.
I don't waste my time on your stupid links. You cherry pick your facts.
Total bullshit cunt.
The stats are there on myriad websites from the US Dept of Justice and the FBI.
If you think they are too scary to look at, then keep bullshittin yourself about what is going on in this country.
You and folks just like you, may as well be murdering, raping and assaulting folks in the street because it is YOU and folks just like YOU who give de facto permission for same.
Fuck off coward.
You racist pukes got nothing. All you do is vomit on peoples' blogs.
Grand Wizard Chuck is a doppleganger for N-word guy, but he made it all the way to 5th grade. And just like N-word guy, he seems by his rabid racism and homophobia to be a closet homosexual as well. Go on, Grand Wizard Chuck, and talk some more about gay sex and your obsession with black men.
8:54
Are you just leaving Brookside?
Its up to each state to report these 'facts'. Do you really believe there were no hate crimes in Mississippi? These 'facts' are not scientific in any way. Fuck off coward.
Chuck, either start killing niggers or shut the fuck up.
Q: What is the sound of all the hot air being pumped into the false claim that Ms. Moffitt was attacked by the KKK?
A: Sharmeka-sharmeka-sharmeka-sharmeka-sharmeka-sharmeka-sharmeka-sharmeka-sharmeka
If she's convicted of this felony:
She'll get probation, move to KC, and take an executive position at City Hall as Director Of Hysterical Race-Baiting Operations.
Bring me Chaz Bono
8:58
Probably right.
My guess has always been that Chuck IS the N-word guy.
The problem 820 is this.....
1. Felons might have access to peoples personal information. I made a 20 plus year criminal career off of personal information.
2. It exposes the general public to possibly violent offenders. You see someone with that city employee symbol and assume you have nothing to worry about. Maybe that somebody is a former home invader, robber, rapist.
3. This is the most important point. Just because someone served their sentence it doesnt mean they are magically rehabilitated. In fact most felons, myself included, are repeat offenders. Simply serving a sentence doesnt instantly wipe the criminality from your system. Time and age are the two main factors that retire a career criminal. You reach a point where you dont want to end up being 40 or 50 and locked up. So you quit. Eventually you start to see that the square life isnt too bad. Hopefully you evolve, maybe develop a conscience. But simply serving a bit doesn't scrub you clean.
It's also unfair to someone competing for the same job. Why should a guy who never violated the law be on an even playing field with someone who disregarded the laws of society?
Lastly, you don't want a guy like I use to be, having access to your personal and private info. That's fat kid in a candy store shit that you do not want to be on the wrong end of. Ive always been able to find a job, other than a few years ago when nobody could. Jobs are out there you just have to keep pounding the pavement. I gave it up back in the 90's. However, prior to my last sentence, if Id had access to your information, I'll wager you wouldn't be singing the " time served, debt paid" tune.
Mark Smith, that's the smartest thing I've ever seen you write.
I dont think that Chuck is rightbut he makes you guys look stupid. he always has the facts and the onlythin anyone dies is call him names. Thats ok heis a jerk but he might be right. Noonw ever has infomation that is different.
Tow more years of this shit.
8:56
What?
Chuck might be on to something.
Reed wants this passed because most of his homies are felons and he wants to get them a job for the city.
This woman should be hired as the new Communications Director for City Hall ....
http://youtu.be/_KbHKB5IiSU?t=8s
Chuckie boy, aka N word guy, aka pussy is never right. He skims life and latches on to items that will support his phobias. Weak kneed guys like him are the first to cut and run.
Pray for him.
The felon thing is stupid. City Hall is not about rehabilitating criminals. It's about getting basic services done and done right. Putting extra services on paid staff to make sure they do not backslide takes away from the main goal of running this city.
Jermaine reed should spend his time volunteering at agencies that specialize in helping ex-offenders. Reading, math and comprehension skills are lacking in many of these residents. Reed, to be of some use to the community on your own dime and time.
“It said kapooyow! Kapooyow!”
10:04 I am not the N word guy and your knees are too bruised up from suckin cock to run.
Let's see what the gorillas think of "Ban The Box":
"Kapooyow! Kapooyow!”
There you have it...
We are not all that pissed off at the N word guy.
Nah, Chuck isn't the N word guy. You can tell the difference in the writing. Chuck is quite smart, while the N word guy isn't.
The shitheels in KC government just want to feel at home with their kind infesting the entire city work/welfare system.
Nice job once again Mark. You people on here who think you know so much should pay attention to what Mark says. He has been there, done it and lived it. Very smart words from a man who knows what he is talking about.
I'll be happy when America is just like my country.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13280-genocide-communism-threaten-south-africa
Forte has already apparently banned the box over at the police department. What with the convicted felon he hired and put on the P.D. payroll to assist the department in communicating with those pesky Irish folks.
Words of wisdom from the Midtown Miscreant. Mark Smith knows what he is talking about.
No, chuck isnt th n word guy. But its a shame that someone as articualte, erudite and cogent is not doing something MORE than sittin his ass trolling this blog!
Once again, you mental giants have missed the point that there are many, many "n-word guys". I just happen to be one of em. In any event, just keep on defending your pet NIGGERS and they'll keep right on, robbing, raping, etc. It's what NIGGERS do and there is no refuting that fact.
It's a great idea what could go wrong? Oh wait wasn't there some trouble with stealing money from blue cross insurance benefits? No problem I'm sure hiring felons won't take advantage of their position .
EEOC Guidelines
The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Compliance Manual advises that employers cannot enact a "blanket exclusion of persons convicted of any crime." Employers can reject an applicant with a criminal conviction if the employer can demonstrate that the reason was "job related." EEOC Guidelines require employers to consider three factors: the nature and seriousness of the crime, how long it has been since the conviction and the type of job at stake. For example, a bank could legally reject an applicant with a robbery or forgery conviction, because these convictions are specifically tied to job requirements.
so why dilute the hiring process?
take in to account all factors when hiring.
Not the 12:07 cocksucker
Says: Hope all you NIGGERS and yo felonies enjoy this. It's fo you..
But the bank can't discriminate against a convicted child molester since that has nothing to do with the job as a bank teller.
Laws like this make me as an employer never want to hire anyone ever again.
I don't think Chuck and the N-word guy are the same person. I just think they are both ignorant, intolerant, blindly racist, and closet homosexuals to boot. They wallow in their own cowardice and shame, spewing out rabidly racist and homophobic comments to cover up their secret desires for black men. It's an obsession for both of them.
U dont like Chuck because u dont want people to know the truth.
Those urls, videos etc, u would like it much better if they didnt exist.
Thing is, they do and they are real.
Pretending it is Chucks fault keepd everyone from faceing facts.
2:15 What country are you from? If you want to live here, learn the fucking language. By the way, I don't think Grand Wizard Chuck and his fellow Klansmen approve of immigrants like you, even if you are white.
2:56.
"Chuck!!! I wish I could quit him"!!!
Obsess much?
NIGGERS ruin everything. Including language, work ethics, crime statistics, illegitimate birth rates, etc.
3:11 I don't bring up Grand Wizard Chuck or the N-Word guy. I just respond to their non-stop racist, homophobic ranting with an appropriate discussion of their twisted psychological conditions, as evidenced by their dual obsession with gay sex and black men.
We all notice plenty.
U r obsessed with Chuck and u cant deny the truth of his posts or his links, so u try to psycoanalyze him and call him names.
Why dont cancel out his info with ur own?
3:45
I have some bad news for you.
Not all, but a very large percentage of blacks are violent criminals and if you give them the chance, they will prove it to you.
Hey Chief! I'll catch you on Pawn Stars.
4:07 You are a fucking idiot:
"a very large percentage of blacks are violent criminals". Based on what stats or facts? Or are you just pulling that out of your ass? And don't just post links to KKK sites like Grand Wizard Chuck.
3:45- I can understand where you'd think Chuck's posts are racist, but where do you get the homophobic from?
4:52
U gotta b kidding.
4:52 must be another NIGGER, looking for his place in the world...
Jermaine Reed is used to putting others in the community at-risk. From his chose lifestyle on down to the legislation he promotes. His handlers are patting him on the back. Hoepfully, it's hard enough to make his face hit the asphalt.
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