TKC BREAKING AND EXCLUSIVE NEWS!!! FELONY FORGIVENESS: "BAN-THE-BOX" MOVEMENT COMING TO KANSAS CITY!!!
Kansas City is soon to consider creating more jobs for felons.
To wit . . .
THE "BAN-THE-BOX" MOVEMENT HAS ARRIVED IN KANSAS CITY!!!
Previously, we've noted the clandestine effort to help out felons from City Hall. Now, it's no longer clandestine.
Social media explains the meme better than anybody else . . .
"Ban the Box. The "box" refers to the box on a job application that candidates must check it if they've ever been convicted, or in some cases, arrested for a crime."
This note comes our way courtesy of THE PROFESSOR . . . One of the smartest and most AWESOME TKC TIPSTERS out there . . .
"The Public Safety Committee of the Kansas City, Missouri city council will be taking up the ban the box ordinance next Wednesday, March 27, 2013 at 10:00 a.m. on the 26th Floor in City Hall. I would request that as many people show up as possible. If you know anyone who wishes to testify, please let me know as soon as possible to help coordinate, organize and prepare witnesses."
There are certainly two sides to this issue . . . Some forgiveness for people who have served their time is in order. After all, we are in the "era of mass incarceration" and people who have served their time should be allowed an opportunity to earn a living.
Then again . . .
THERE ARE A FEW KANSAS CITY FELONS WHO ARE POLITICALLY CONNECTED AND WAITING TO ENJOY EVEN MORE PERKS FROM CITY HALL . . . I DON'T REALLY SEE A RUSH TO HELP THEM OUT!!!
Then again, there are also people with criminal records who have a great deal to contribute to the political discourse and they're some of the brightest and most community minded people I know.
This one is difficult and there's no easy answer . . .
What's important to realize that there is IN FACT a very real downside to this legislation . . . First and foremost, it seems to negate the efforts of those workers in the marketplace who have never been convicted of anything.
Once again it's an opportunity vs. fairness debate in Kansas City - So I'm expecting that we'll get it completely wrong.
DEVELOPING . . .
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It is in no way, "Opportunity vs. Fairness".
It is fuckin crazy.
Mixing your employees in with violent felons with a penchant for physically harming another human being for the sake of a feel good Kumbaya, Chris Matthews "Chill Up My Leg" moment is irresponsible to the point of insanity.
Read this-
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/03/end_the_madness_at_the_eeoc.html
Jesus, owners are not allowed to ask ANY information with regard to thier prospective employees and now, there is a law against background checks and a placing a box on an application which would indicate that your new employee just might rape the old lady in accounting.
Maybe we should just make it a law, that whenever someone walks through the door, you gotta hire them no matter what.
Jesus, fuckin insane.
Totally agree. This is the dumbest idea yet! Making business hire convicted felons goes beyond the pale. Nobody wants to work around people like this and as for learning; whatever happened to consequences for your actions?? Hey, you do the crime, pay the fine...all of them.
No kidding.
Seriously, read that URL, it is a devastating example of our Federal Government gone completely fuckin crazy.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/03/end_the_madness_at_the_eeoc.html
Thank you thank you my pleasure as always.
Yes, these people that have "repaid their debt to society" should be held down, and kept unemployable. They can always go back to crime, right? And Chuck, you just don't want ANY black people to have jobs, and no one wants to read any of your KKK bullshit.
Sorry, not true, I think N-word guy pretty much agrees with you on everything.
The ban the box thing is a joke.
People have a right to know if the person they are going to hire has been convicted of something. Don't mean you can't hire them just means you watch them a little closer to see if they learned their lesson or not.
I swear people keep thinking a fucking con or ex-con should have all the same rights of people who follow the laws of the land and obey them.
I had a guy who I hired myself he seemed ok said he had no record had issues with him and come to find out he had a hell of a record. Two counts no less of fraud and not both at the same times few years apart. With the business I am in a fraud conviction wouldn't have probably got you hired. This clown was out on bail in another state on felony charges and from looks of things on probation ever since he was 18 and he is in his thirties now.
No we employers have a right to know if you have a criminal background.
For an example we all know Glazer is a liar has been caught more than once doing so and is that the kind of person you want working for you? I know some people thinks he walks on water, but don't forget he has taken a gun in his hand in the past and used it against other people in a criminal manor. He has as well on this blog and others threatened harm to people. So is this the sort of person you want working around your employees? I mean be honest a lot of you think he is funny and cool but at same time you wouldn't hire him and let him act towards your employees as we have seen in here when he doesn't agree with people. LOL you know as well as I do, you would get your ass sued off.
7:28
They should be employable in jobs where they can be controlled in an environment where their fellow employees will not be assualted or robbed.
You seriously think that blacks, with the Set Asides, the Quotas, Affirmative Actions etc etc into infinity are not wanted in the workplace?
If you do, you are still drinking that liberal koolaid which in no way reflects the constant, incessant pressure the Local, State and Federal Government places on Employers all over America.
Companies are now, have been and will be desperate for qualified African Americans to fill positions all over the US.
African Americans have, for the most part, wasted this last 60 years whining about a lack of opportunity when the red carpet has been there to put them at the front of the line 24/7, 365.
Total fuckin Bullshit 7:28.
It is far easier to sit on you fuckin ass and complain than actually work hard in school, excell then go straight to the front of the line for you Affirmative Action Race Card job.
Any modicum of effort at all, seems to be too much for those who think that life itself should only be viewed through the prism of the color of their skin and not the content of their character.
Identity politics and a solipistic, narcissistic myopia based on recurring revenue from white guilt and social engineering laws which result in free coin of the realm is more preferable than actually showing up for a job.
For that matter, it is easier to rob a fuckin liquor store and scream "Rayciss" "KKK" than get off of your fuckin ass.
But chuck you worship an ex con who appears on here and use to be over on KCC all the time so you sending out very mixed views here?
7:40
You mischaracterize me with the "Worship" comment and diminish your point which is actually a good one.
I do like Glazer's comments about 75% of the time.
How that translates into a scenario where I am hiring him to work for me is a stretch, but lets give it a go.
I worked in retailing for 10 years, I would NOT have hired glazer for that job based on his record.
I have now worked in construction for the last 15 years and would hire Glazer, or any other felon for that job if I thought they would show up and work.
Glazer would show up and work. He works his ass off now, I know this for a fact.
For the record, I have indeed hired ex cons and I am frineds with many and very good friends with 3.
Your premise is too vague, but understandable.
Employers should be able to make their own decisions on who to hire, especially when it comes to hiring ex cons.
Convicts have to expect different treatment in the workplace by way of their decisions.
Its logical in my opinion.
Good retort and I understand your point of view chuck.
Illegal gun sales.
Gambling.
Armed robbery.
Full disclosure, those are the offenses of my friends who are cons.
Agree with Chuck 100%
This is nuts.
Don't we have more important things to work on at city hall?
They have been my friends for 20 to 30 years.
One of them still works with me.
Oh yeah, he is black, the other two are white.
7:51
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When you have made a conscious decision to break the law , live a certain life, you have to live with that decision. I live with it every day. I've also always been able to find a job. Just not in a bank. Employers have a right to know. Surprisingly, most people will give you another chance if you are up front and don't act like a total ass wipe. Being a felon makes it tougher, but it hardly makes you unemployable. As to the fairness issue, people who have lived right, always played by the rules, should have an edge.
Great Points Mark! I was hoping you would add to this since it is something you do know about.
"Surprisingly, most people will give you another chance if you are up front and don't act like a total ass wipe"
And you are right I will talk to convicted person and try to see if they fit in with what the company is looking for. But not all share your line of thinking Mark and it's why you do get some respect from me and others for admitting your past and knowing you made a mistake you wish to never repeat.
Mark, as always, is dead on the money, which, by the way, I would hire him to handle at my business.
(As if there is money in my business.)
We'll said MM.
The stink never comes off of the turd. It's insanity to think or act otherwise.
Chuck and Mark win the thread.
When the felon made the choice to commit the crime, he made the choice to check the box. This is bullshit.
There is a felon for identity theft that has access to all city employees SS# right now.
Man, you guys are stupid! First, a criminal record should not be disclosed unless and only unless there is a serious job offer on the table. Second, the job duties have to be directly impacted by the criminal record. For example, auto theft should not prevent you from working at subway as a cashier. A drug conviction may keep you away from money but not trash collecting. Finally, there should be time limits on use of convictions. Older crimes should carry less weight than newer crimes. As it stands now, disclosing convictions causes a disparate impact on minorities by design!
@2:52 most city employees have bad credit so no real threat!
There is a convicted felon on the Jackson County Legislature!
Wow hhmmm where to begin where to begin….first of all asking the question of if a person is a felon and what it is relative. The city already has less workers and more work. Meaning if you have a ton of applicants and one lists a felony that is directly related why wouldn’t you as a supervisor want to know that up front. (I.e I interview you for a job in the community center then two interviews later and money spent on a background check I find out you’re a sex offender or had something directly related) Now that is time wasted. I say do the research no one has asked how many city employees are felons or what is the process etc for those. Everyone just says oh the City doesn’t hire felons! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Have you checked dear sweet baby Jesus, its crawling with them! AIM4PEACE ever heard of it hell it’s hard to get on WITHOUT having a felony so get real! You better believe as a citizen I want to know if I have a city worker in my home or interacting with my children there is no threat! Again, no one made you do the crime and yes it’s unfortunate and you did you time but it’s not fair to be able to hide it either! NOW Reed and the crew are so adamant about this helping the City which is funny since its already being done..DUH and hello!!!! They need to be worried about the district that is so upset and irate that they have folks getting arrested for interrupting the state of the union of the Mayor. Hmmmm there’s a thought stop spinning wheels on things already in place!
Furthermore, minorities doesn’t make you crippled and you cannot expect handouts! Is there a struggle absolutely! But if you saw what I saw every day you would roll you eyes…people can’t speak properly cuss when coming in to fill out applications…mad because they aren’t being considered only to find they applied for a job like a year ago…and they are just now calling…or wait…better yet…they say no they don’t have a felony only to find out they do, then they say they forgot they went to jail and did 5-10yrs etc so they didn’t put it down! Then they scream they didn’t get hired because they are a felon or because they are black GTHOH…not all felons are black! You didn’t get hired because you lied about it! Tried to HIDE IT!!! JUST STOP! Own up to it and stop blaming the City who clearly HIRES FELONS!! DON’T BELIEVE ME!! DO THE RESEARCH!!
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