TKC BREAKING EXCLUSIVE NEWS AND THE SATURDAY NIGHT PLAYLIST!!! KANSAS CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT SOON TO GET BURNED IN THE JJ'S INFERNO AFTERMATH!!!
Snow and fire defined this week in Kansas City. In the aftermath it seems like there's more than enough blame to go around for EVERYBODY and here's what KICK-ASS TKC TIPSTERS have told us to expect . . .
What was celebrated as a victory week for Mayor Sly might prove to be his first significant mainstream hit for the actions of his office from the mainstream press.
To wit . . .
LOOK FOR MAINSTREAM MEDIA TO PUT PRESSURE ON MAYOR SLY AND THE KCFD COMING SOON!!!
The preview first on TKC . . . Natch:
"Helling alluded on Week in Review show that he has a story tomorrow that puts the spotlight on KCFD potential negligence for the death and injuries . . . Expect more follow-up from a few national publications on this as well . . . Hint: NYT."
It gets worse . . .
In the end, it all comes back to money . . .
"Sly is currently begging the fire union to accept pension reforms. Has been going on for months, but it seems he feels he has to shield the fire department for ANY blame on JJ's so as to curry favor in the negotiations."
Sadly, we all know that KCFD will never voluntarily take a long-term permanent pay/benefit hit and it would be silly for Mayor Sly to expect as much.
Nevertheless . . . Look at more media pushback against Mayor Sly and KCFD as they seem to be the easiest targets for Kansas City's deep need to place blame for the tragedy.
And all of this has inspired tonight's playlist . . .
As always, thank you for reading this week and have a safe and fun Saturday night.
KC always looks to place blame but maybe this this time it will prevent people from getting hurt in the future.
ReplyDeleteKCFD is above the law. Look at the MAST mess.
ReplyDeleteWhat laws were violated in the MAST merger slick?
ReplyDeleteWhat's with Sly all of a sudden being so star struck and pr hungry. His thirst for fame is backfiring on him. It's making him look like an idiot. Oh gee my cities burning but I got to talk the the mayor of LA - yipee!
ReplyDeleteWearing the KCFD clothing line makes the mayor look like a pawn.
DeleteTony, you have no idea of what you are talking about! Your "Tipsters" need to get a clue. The fire dept. followed protocol. The gas company said they would handle the situation which put the fire dept. back in service. If fire is first on the scene of a gas leak, the fire dept. calls the gas company. The gas co. has special monitors and better equipment than the fire dept. to find sources of gas leaks. Once the gas company tells the fire dept. that levels are ok or they take over a scene, then the fire dept. goes back in service for the next emergency. You are just reaching to far to place blame on the fire dept.. The contractor and MGE are responsible for this mess. Good job though on trying to get people to hate the fire dept. because your fat ass couldn't pass the physical agility test. Beaner!
ReplyDeleteKCFD never relinquishes control of a scene. They are always in charge. Just ask them.
DeleteI'm guessing they really cleared the scene because it was time to eat.
6:44 is clearly an insider, probably a buddy of Berardi.
ReplyDeleteThis was a fuck up. Gas in the air and business as usual? Fire department was the lead agency at the scene. was it too close to dinner time for Local 42? The police should have been called.
ReplyDeleteJames is running early. He knows he is a wipe-out as mayor.
No competent fire officer would have cleared that scene.
DeleteOMG, Keys MUST come up with a new signature song.
ReplyDelete6:44's post is laughable. And there will be several plaintiff's attorneys who do just that. All the way to the bank.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it laughable? We're you there? I was there. I saw what happened. You so called humans are a bunch of stupid heads! The contractor screwed up and tried to cover the mess up by putting dirt over the hole. Dummy pants!
ReplyDelete"The gas co. has special monitors and better equipment than the fire dept. to find sources of gas leaks."
ReplyDeleteYou mean to tell me KCFD doesn't have equipment to monitor for Flammable gas !!!! ????
Like an MSA 260.
BULLSHIT.
If they don't the KC Taxpayer Citizens should be in an uproar. The Lawyers with have a field day.
Of course KCFD will take the fall. The Mayor too. You don't expect an enery company to be held accountable, DO YOU?
ReplyDeleteMaybe we can cancel a few of those pensions to at least help the taxpayers out of this mess. That is the least we can expect.
Even Sly can't cover up KCFD's negligence in the JJ tragedy.
ReplyDeleteKCFD are the trained first responders that have gas monitoring equipment. There job is to enter the structures and monitor the gas levels. If there are dangerous levels, they are to order evacuations. Apparently in the JJ case they stood around until a laborer from the gas company showed up and then left a minute later without doing a thing.
ReplyDeleteThey wont get anything from the FD nor from the city, they followed SOP. Left the scene with the gas co. Why is NOBODY questioning why it took more than 15 MINUTES for that place to be evacuated. I saw the building its not that big. I've personally experienced high-rise buildings in downtown KC with THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES be evacuated in less time than it took for that on duty manager to safely remove his patrons first, then ensure that EVERY SINGLE ONE of his employees are clear of the structure and properly accounted for. ONLY then should THEY CLEARED FROM THE STRUCTURE. Nobody wants to ask the hard questions, why has the business owners placed a "gag" order on their employees? Got something to hide maybe????
ReplyDelete6:44 pm = LMAO. Are you for real?
ReplyDelete7:54....just another uninformed idiot. Get in line take a number. There are plenty more ahead of you!!!
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ReplyDelete"Get in line take a number. There are plenty more ahead of you!!! "
And they all from KCFD :)
KCFD wanted to cruise the Plaza, in their fire truck. That is what their real hurry was. Let's see where they went after they left JJ's.
ReplyDeleteFD apologists, face it, you're fucked. You fucked up the response to the natural gas leak, people wer injured and one died because of it, and some of your colleagues are gonna fry like Cramer for it.
ReplyDeleteNEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!
DeleteNew KCFD policy, when the public must be evacuated, be the first to leave. No one wants to be the next 6 firefighters to blow up.
Delete""The gas co. has special monitors and better equipment than the fire dept. to find sources of gas leaks."
ReplyDeleteYou mean to tell me KCFD doesn't have equipment to monitor for Flammable gas !!!! ????
Like an MSA 260.
BULLSHIT.
If they don't the KC Taxpayer Citizens should be in an uproar. The Lawyers with have a field day.
THAT WAS FROM 7:20
Pretty interesting. I looked up an MSA 260 it is a "portable combustable gas and oxygen alarm."
7:20 Is that the standard for on site determination of danger with relation to gas? Does the Fire Dept have them? Does MGE have them? Are there better units that MGE carries that would over rule a reading of an MSA 260? Who carries those? Is there a precedent or hierarchy for responsibility with concern to protocols in similar situations?
These have been some really interesting comments.
I have no idea who is to blame, or if there actuall IS anyone to blame.
7:45 and 7:53 had really interesting comments.
A "GAG" order???
Here is a part of another comment.
"By the way, the gas can’t be shut off if the leak is before the valve, & even if they closed the main line, blocks away, it would have still been filled with pressurized natural gas, which would have continued leaking through the rupture."
Is that true?
It would seem that if it is, there would be many more explosions.
Anyway, excellent comments in my opinion.
If someone knows the answers to my questions, it might help folks who are not familiar with protocals, equipment and hierarchy of responsibility.
Thanks!
There has been news stories to back up the "gag" order. Search the KC Star. As far as the "pressurized pipe" question.... Think of it like your garden hose. If you close of the end, turn off the supply at the house, then poke a hole in it somewhere between those two spots... Yes... The water will continue to spray out.
DeleteThis is from jimmysays (Fitz is linked here on TKC.).
ReplyDelete"With damning impact, The Star interviewed the president of the North American Gas Workers Association, a safety advocacy group based in Massachusetts.
The official, Mark McDonald, told The Star, “It should have taken three minutes (to shut off gas to the area), and the building wouldn’t have exploded.” He said a shutoff valve to the restaurant could have been closed soon after utility workers arrived, which was nearly an hour before the explosion."
How could, if the KCFD and MGE are all there, smelling gas, these guys ignore the smell and NOT shut off the valve?
Here's the recommended SOP for dealing with natural gas leaks from our friends in St. Louis and surrounding municipalities.
ReplyDeleteWhen reading the SOP, note that the "Incident Commander" is the senior fire department official on the scene.
http://www.mfmaonline.com/pub/Nat%20gas%20S_O_G_.pdf
There has GOT to be something written down, in some manual at both the KCFD and MSE which dilineates clearly who does what, when they do it and why.
ReplyDeleteGas leaks and phone calls to the KCFD and MGE for complaints of gas leaks, have got to be very common.
Thanks 9:21 I just saw that.
ReplyDeleteI will look.
:)
Another article for consideration.
ReplyDeleteMoney line:"Typically, (natural gas leak) calls end without any incidents, and quite often are treated as though they pose no threat to the responder or the community. A lack of understanding and complacency will eventually lead to disaster. Well defined guidelines and proper training will help prevent incorrect operations by response personnel, and properly mitigate the leak."
http://www.carolinafirejournal.com/articles/article-detail/articleid/1235/understanding-natural-gas-emergencies.aspx
Firefighter Magazine:
ReplyDelete"What if there is no fire only escaping gas (outside)? Many times an excavator will accidentally dig up a natural gas line. A safe area surrounding the location should be cleared and barricaded. Have someone assigned to securing any and all open flames and prohibit smoking in the area as well as checking all surrounding buildings, particularly in basements for the odor or presence of natural gas. If need be have the traffic in the area rerouted."
http://www.firehouse.com/article/10504146/fire-department-response-to-natural-gas-emergencies?page=2
OK, that was very interesting.
ReplyDeleteIt said repeatedly that only certain main valves can be shut down during emergencies.
"Curb Valves" which I am guessing would be what Mark McDonald is refering to, should have been in close proximity to JJs.
9:21---Thanks!
The responsibility for who is in charge during these incidents is still, as far as I can tell, not determined by the info I have seen.
ReplyDeleteOnce again, I am sure there is a directive from both MGE and KCFD that relates to variables such as who arrives first, who has what equipment, who determines evacuation etc etc.
So far, it doesn't seem like there is enough info for a KC Citizen to determine who was in charge at JJs.
9:31--Thanks.
ReplyDelete9:24--excellent!
ReplyDeleteMGE and KCFD show up at the same time and smell gas and determine with the use of the MSA 260 that there is danger, which one of these conversations makes sense?
ReplyDeleteKCFD: "Ok, this is my show Mr Gas Man, have your guys establish a peremeter."
MGE: "Ok, this is my show Mr Fireman, have your guys establish a peremeter."
Stammering Paul Berardi needs to resign. Major Fuckushima Fuckup by KCMOFD. Major Fuckup by Sly trying to filibuster around the facts. The truth will set you free from the mayors office Sly. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
ReplyDeleteHere's what NIOSH says about responding to natural gas leaks.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cdc.gov/niosh/fire/reports/face200913.html
Legally, The Incident Commander is the highest ranking public safety officer on the scene. In this case, that would ave been the Captain on Pumper 19.
ReplyDeleteWhat a cluster fuck. And this is what Taxpayers are paying for?
ReplyDeleteThis "who's in charge" should have been thought out years ago, BEFORE an incident like this occurs.
And the Fire Fighters are always wanting more pay raises. For what?
Finger pointing? What happen to Taxpayer money that we paid for for all the supposed training these public employees get?
WASTED!
Chuck, that's not really how it works.
ReplyDeleteThe afire Department shows up, gets an on scene briefing by anyone having relevant information, and then directs the response.
In your scenario, he would have heard from the boring contractor (yes, I hit a line in the alley. I had about 75 feet of my reel out heading north, i hit an obstruction, pushed through it, and began smelling gas, alled 911 right away) and then from MGE (LEL readings elevated in the alley. Gas may be migrating into surrounding structures.) There would have been a discussion of where the shut offs were (e.g. does MGE know where they are, etc).
Whether he calls for additional manpower, chooses to wait for more MGE employees, continues his investigation or begins a full evacuation, just the fact that he had a known rupture that was not under control and elevated LEL readings, coupled with an obvious smell of gas, should have been enough for him to stick around.
An MSA 260 is one example of a gas monitor.
ReplyDeleteTypically, a multi-gas detector is used (LEL, CO, O2, and H2) because those are the most common hazards found in confined space entry (tanks, vessels, sewers).
You can get a good one for less than $1000.
Haz-Mat would have even more sophisticated measuring and monitoring devices (FID's, PID's, etc.).
10:14 +++++++++1
ReplyDeleteSly will get rid of that KCFD shirt faster than Ray Lewis did his white suit when he killed, er, those 2 gentlemen were killed.
ReplyDeleteThanks--great info.
ReplyDeleteLook at that fine, red jacket on Mayor Silverback. It's nice but hey, he's still a NIGGER.
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