TKC BREAKING AND EXCLUSIVE NEWS!!! CONTROVERSY SURROUNDS KCPD CHIEF FORTÉ'S MOVE TO CHANGE LONGSTANDING KCPD RULES ON OFFICERS ASSOCIATING WITH FELONS AND WORKING AT BARS!!!
Without question KCPD Chief Forté is undergoing more than a bit of pushback in his effort to make drastic changes within the Kansas City's Police Department.
Some insiders note an "outright rebellion" but also advise that there is a respect for the office of the Chief that prevents a lot of tough talk from gaining momentum. At the end of the day, it's important to realize that these reports of interdepartmental turmoil are taking place among a group that's dedicated to protecting Kansas City - Albeit using different methodologies.
Nevertheless . . .
TWO RECENT INITIATIVES TO CHANGE LONGSTANDING LOCAL POLICE RULES FROM KCPD CHIEF FORTÉ HAVE CREATED A GREAT DEAL OF CONTROVERSY!!!
Now . . . The Chief has explained these initiatives in his many public talks but there hasn't been much reporting on the ensuing controversy and reaction from folks opposed to the changes.
First . . .
CRITICS DON'T BELIEVE THAT CHANGING THE RULE PROHIBITING KCPD OFFICERS FROM ASSOCIATING WITH KNOWN FELONS IS A GOOD IDEA!!!
At a recent form for the Latino Coalition, KCPD Chief Forté explained that the rule has thwarted efforts to do effective outreach in the community. Meanwhile, others suggest that a more through study of the impact of changing this rule is appropriate given that is part of protecting against any corrupting influence.
Secondly . . .
ONCE AGAIN TALK OF DROPPING THE RULE AGAINST KCPD OFFICERS WORKING FOR DIRECTLY FOR BARS IS BACK ON THE TABLE!!!
We've talked to more than a few local club and bar owners who favor this policy change. The Chief hasn't talked a lot about it but the logic of those who support it claims that it would stop trouble before it starts . . . Again, critics of this move worry about corrupting influences and any move that might give the appearance of compromising the ethics of officers. Westport Barron Bill Nigro talks about this one all the time and favors the policy change but it's just one of his many bad ideas.
And so . . .
Behind the scenes, what we're seeing is a very IMPORTANT debate about the policies that govern the KCPD as we move closer to local control every day and possibly in the April 2013 Election cycle.
DEVELOPING . . .
At least people are talking about the impact of the decisions before they are made instead of just being surprised by the results of the policy change. That's the way City Hall usually does things.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to go fishing for information, you go where the fish are and there's a tremendously effective network of communications by folks both inside and outside the prisons. And who WOULD you go talk to about what's happening on the streets? The white do-gooder ladies?
ReplyDeleteEach year around 3000 people are released from prison and return to KCMO. Most try to get their lives back together and without any real help from either government programs or the business world. Many quickly revert to the same behaviors that got them into trouble in the first place.
But having the police not be able to talk to ex-offenders eliminates any chance of getting even superficially into the network of information that can solve or even prevent crimes. In fact, tying into that network is exactly the concept behind Aim4Peace, who hires ex-offenders, although they use that opportunity very ineffectively.
The real question should be, how do the police involve these folks without creating situations that suck them back into where they don't want to go.
You obviously have no clue about police work.
DeleteYoure an idiot. Its not like the cops cant talk to them. Trust me, they do. It means they cant fraternize. That means entrring into contracts, being room mates, etc.
DeleteYes, meet me at the Green Duckie and we can have a beer summit about the time I busted you for your felony. Be sure to bring your friends.
ReplyDeleteI thought the police commissioners were the policy body for the KCPD. Have they ever had ANY thoughts about how the department is run? Do they have any ideas or suggestions about how they could get east side leaders to encourage instead of discourage residents to work with the police?
ReplyDeleteDo they even know WHAT'S going on on the street and in the department? Do the council and the mayor?
Explain again what difference local control would make.
SOS- PD can talk to felons right now without limitation.
ReplyDeleteWhat the police can't do is go into business with felons, work for felons, or hire felons to work for police-owned companies, etc. Allowing the police to do so seems like a slippery and damn steep slope to me.
But I'd still like to know what other large departments do and hear how Forte thinks that might work here.
I wonder Forte ever considered that sometimes these policies are in place not to penalize police officers, but to protect them by giving them an "out" if they're ever approached by felons with an offer they can't refuse.
ReplyDeleteIf Tony's "secret sources" say it's so it has to be so right? LOL
ReplyDeleteIt's no secret that the department is in turmoil. Local control AIN'T gonna help.
ReplyDeleteDid they say anything about the white female employees who might come forward on Forte's ass.
ReplyDeleteCan we get to the real tips tipster.
Since you seem to know so much, Let's Hear It Do EXPLAIN !!! ABOUT THIS WHITE FEMALES COMING FORWARD! WOWWWWW UMPH REALLY!
DeleteStart with sgt marissa barnes. She transferred to the media unit because darrylicious forte was sexually harassing her. She used that tidbit to get a sweet new gig.
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ReplyDeleteThanks for the clarification about the PD being able to talk with felons. That certainly isn't made clear in the TKC information.
There's still no questions that if crime and violence are ever going to really seriously addressed, there has to be a much greater effort on the parts of both the PD and the community to communicate and work with each others at all levels.
True! True! True!
DeleteWE MUST ALL WORK TOGETHER! BUT WITH MY EXPERIENCE KCMO DOES HAVE SOME DIRTY COPS! WHO KEEP THE CONFLICT BETWEEN SOME ON THE STREETS GOING! I DO KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE! I KNOW THEM BY NAME! BUT I WILL KEEP THOSE UNDERCOVER RACIST NAMES TO MYSELF! GOD WILL DEAL WITH THEM SWIFTLY SOONER THEN NOT! WHEN YOU GET POLICE OFF THE STREET LIKE THAT ! SOME MURDERS & CRIME WILL STOP! WHEN PITTING ONE AGAINST THE OTHER IS STOPPED BY THESE PARTICULAR POLICE OFFICERS. I COULD GO ON AND ON BUT I'LL STOP RIGHT HERE! THE STUFF ON THE STREETS IS DEEPER THEN YOU EVER REALLY WANNA KNOW! BETWEEN POLICE & CRIME ENTITIES IN KCMO STREETS ON ALL LEVELS !!! "SERIOUSLY"
Where is the BOPC in all of this? They have current policies that govern the PD, and the chief regularly oversteps his authority. The department has fired people for working in bars and hanging around with felons, so now we think it is okay? It's clear that the BOPC is handing the department over to the city with the assistance of the chief. I wonder what the rest of the command staff thinks about losing their identity and ability to do as they please? Thanks to the leadership of President McInerney we will have local control in 6 months.
ReplyDeleteThis is more about the WORKING off hours for establishments that may have ex felons and or wantabe's hanging around. The problems I saw with a member of the KCPD working for such an establishment and being subtly influenced while working off hours was despicable. It became a blot on the department. Forte may not talk about specifics but they are available.
ReplyDeleteGiven that we have reached the day when goddamn near everything is a Felony, who cares. Second, the PD has been influenced by every mobster since Penbdergast so what is having a beer some guy convicted of bouncing checks gonna matter.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the bar thing? I'd much rather have a sober cop behind the bar than one who is shit faced with a concealed gun like we have now.
If you want to have standards stop the crap of beating the shit out of people on the street, being untruthful on the stand and doing the hookers instead of getting panties in a bunch over goofey shit that has little to do with ethics or integrity.
Ummm nothing is a felony in Jackson County!
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ReplyDeleteHow's that felony conviction treatin ya?
There are some cities where off duty officers are not allowed to drink in any bar within the city limits.
ReplyDeleteI feel an officer should be allowed to spend their free time the same as I spend my free time as I choose so should they be allowed to do so. If an officer is going to swing over to the dark side they will do it no matter where they are. To be honest I'd rather be in a bar with off duty cops than idiot rednecs/lowlifes who want to fight/and shoot each other all the time.
Officers can drink at bars within the KC city limits. Right now policy reads that an off duty officer can not be employeed by a bar for security.
DeleteDamn, y'all are some corrupt mother fuckers! I don't know about being pulled over now. I may be able to use the "I felt in fear of my life" defense!
ReplyDeleteDamn!
I'd really like you to try that out. But please tell us how it works out for you.
DeleteHELL to the no! An off duty police officer can get a job at the Mall or at 7-11 or somewhere. Fuck being officially off-duty with your service weapon in a bar doing on the side work! That shit doesn't even sound right!
ReplyDelete12:31 what was that guys name? I have heard about him. What was the name of the apartment complex?
ReplyDeleteNigro the Trolley guy, what a turd.
ReplyDeleteHell, Forte hired an ex con to be his special consultant or community liaison or some such phony baloney deal. An ex con on the police department payroll. Goes to show you what kind of friends Forte has.
ReplyDeleteWhat next, will Forte want to hire pedophiles to investigate child molestations?
Forte is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.
10:11 I never had a felony conviction 'cause I spent my time hanging out with the police lobbyists eating $100.00 Plaza meals on the taxpayers and taking vacations in Florida in city cars and police brass as my chauffeur. It was great having immunity from near everything.
ReplyDeleteKCPD= Big Fucking Joke!
ReplyDeletesounds to me that 3:38 above is that recent retired Forgery Detective.. hmmmm
ReplyDeleteYou are all missing the point. This is nothing more than a black thang. Blacks for years have complained that you can't be black in KC and not have family and friends that are felons. This isn't about outreach or getting intelligence or any of that other crap. Cops have always been able to do those things on-duty. How many white people are inconvenienced by not being able to hang out with felons? Not many. Hell, we've got thugs in the Academy that we're hiring now. It's just the beginning.
ReplyDeleteThe working for bars issue, again, is a black thang. This is about working for ghetto bars without having to lie and say you're working for the parking lot next door, e.g. Melvin Harvey and crew. The Chief's desire to pick his Captains, black thang; the Chief promoting Randy Hopkins, who has failed and been kicked out of assignments at every rank, black thang; having only one white male on the six person executive committee; black thang. Yes, he does have a couple token white boys on the floor, but that's just for show. They're probably on their way out as well. Good luck boys!!!
Snitches get stitches.
ReplyDeleteMy druggy boss at at the apt complex I worked at hired off duty officers for his get out of jail free card...
ReplyDeleteIn the meantime, while all this bullshit is going on with the rank and file at kcpd, the murder rate continues to rise. WTF is the BOPC doing about all this crap?
ReplyDeleteThe BOPC and Police Chief are worthless. The department is too busy trying to stop officers from from having a voice about what's happening at kcpd.
And don't forget how the IT department is spying on officers.
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ReplyDeleteForte betta hope he bitches don't become snitches.
And the white women you keep surpressing might just get loose.
Major oakman was followed by the intelligence unit and observed going into a motel in kck with a female while on duty. Somehow its been swept under the rug...
ReplyDelete11:54 PM Like everything else at KCPD the media unit is going downhill. just look at the our crappy website.
ReplyDeleteWOW!!! The crybabies and conspiracy theorists are out in force. Get back to work!
ReplyDeleteMarissa is good people. I thought she was a part of the "click". I assumed she would be a Major by her tenth year of service.
ReplyDeleteWould like to hear more on the Oakman conspiracy.
Better yet, how about the Skyline?
I wanna hear about this major oakman incident. Ive heard it twice in a week. I bet its true. He's so dirty is amazing.
DeleteSkyline is a bar that has had off duty officers working there for a while illegally. Melvin harvey ran it and got caught which is where this whole thing initiated.
DeleteForte c'mon, fess up..you been doin da nasty on duty.
ReplyDeleteAre you going to wait until it pops out all ugly and stinkin like.
The jig is up...no pun intended...better make plans for your exit.
8:07, I hear that this selected group is still working there. I also heard a few white officers ask to work there and were denied. Heard a lawsuit is in the works.
ReplyDeleteYa, 6:18 got it straight. This is all about the money. The bosses who run off duty in the parking lots are giving up their piece of the pie to security companies. They want it all. And who runs bars...Felons. At least they are thinking.
ReplyDeleteYou all are just a bunch of mad racist motherfuckers that want the department white and all white. Blacks are less than seven percent of this department. Get over yourselves. Blacks do just as much wrong as white. Good job stirring then pot tipster Michelle Wycoff or Dan House. Pathetic.
ReplyDeletedan is the man!!! He's an awesome dude and a hell of a friend to many, many white cops on this department. He would go toe to toe with any of our command staff when it comes to legal issues.
ReplyDeletehey 10:39, you gotz to be jabba da hut Hundley
ReplyDelete10:39 really? That's an answer to my question. Huh? I probably should not even give a response to such a stupid question, but no I'm not. I might be a little pale to pass for him. But it's amazing you are a racist calling me someone who is also a racist. Pretty sad. This is what's wrong with the department. None of you racist on here did shit when Corwin was chief. None of you gave two shit about no raises and low morals. Can you imagine what would happen if officers had to sit on his house like Corwin? The world would end. More obama syndrome. All you racist motherfuckers can't stand a black man in charge. Like policing in the inner city. They want police but not police that look like them. You all hide behind a worthless blog site that gets its "tips" through bitter and disgruntled officers, who were not that great of officers in the first place. The department has always been a good ole boy system and that system should change. But I guess the seven percent minority must be really putting it to the 93% white man. Do you know how stupid that is. Keep the hate flowing Wycoff, house, and Tony KC.
ReplyDeleteHuh 10:39. A racist calling me someone else who is a racist. I'm not and nice thought and articulation to my post. You are just a douche.
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